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Going from original Rossi S7 to new Rossi Super 7 ???

post #1 of 9
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I have been skiing an old pair of Rossi S7's, the originals I think, and I'm wondering how they compare to the 2016 Super 7's. I'm especially wondering if I should get 180cm or 188cm. My old ones are 188cm and they are very easy to turn. The new ones look to be faster and they feel stiffer. Also the turn radius has increased from 17.5 to 20m. So they probably ski significantly longer than my old noodles.  I'm 170 pounds and 5'10". What should I get? I'm hoping others here have gone through the same gear transition and will share their experience.

post #2 of 9
I had a pair of the Super 7's (air tip ones) in 188, they ski short and I didn't feel they were all that stiff. If they made 195's I would have bought those. I'm 6'1 or 2 and 180. Skied the old one's S7, one lap wasn't my cup of tea, gave them back.
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I owned the original S7, now own the 2015 Super 7's. I weigh 165, am 6', ski the 188 cm of both. The new version IMO is far superior in terms of both stability and predictability. I agree they feel stiffer, significantly so, although still moderate stiffness by contemporary standards. But IMO the lower tip and tail, more like the original Squad than the original S7, makes more of the difference. They really got the shape right this time. I ski mine in trees and soft chutes out west, no worries. They're a hoot. The only place I'd give the nod to the original version is big cruddy bumps, where the softer flex and high front is nice. But OTOH, the old tails could catch, the Super 7's don't. 

 

Cons: The Super 7's are surprisingly damp to a point, then still have a speed limit on groomers or in rubble and stiff crud. That's fine by me; they're a powder ski for tight places and bumps that can also be fun getting back to the lift, not a high speed big mountain crusher. I'm sorry to hear they've made the 2017's even stiffer. But I guess there's so little real powder anymore that most folks are more concerned about smashing through crud. Or visualize themselves as that. :dunno 

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Thanks for the helpful posts! 

 

I think I I'm going to like Super 7's and I'd probably like either size but I have some new theoretical data that suggests I should get 180's. My main reason for preferring 188's is the increased float but I did some ciphering and the 188's only have 4% more float than the 180's: 188/180=1.04. (The other ski dimensions are the same for all sizes.) They have remarkably similar float! I like more float for deep snow and also in shallow snow to keep from hitting bottom but 4% is too little to make a difference.  

 

The 180's are probably significantly softer and have a tighter turn radius which would make them noticably quicker turning so they would be better in tighter situations like trees, bumps, chutes, etc. The 180's wouldn't be as stable or damp but it sounds like Super 7's are good enough that way. If conditions warrant stable and damp skis, I'm more inclined to prefer to control my speed via turning more than charge through it. 

 

By the way, here is another reason for Rossi to make the 2017's stiffer: Since the 188's are soft enough for guys that weigh 165 lbs, they are probably too soft for guys over 195 lbs. That leaves out a lot of potential customers. Stiffer Super 7's could be better for everyone. People inbetween sizes could drop down a size and get almost as much float, enough stability, and quicker turning skis. 

post #5 of 9

^ they are fun.  You might find this useful. 

 

http://www.epicski.com/t/123787/2014-rossignol-super-7

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Originally Posted by dtraub1 View Post
 

Thanks for the helpful posts! 

 

I think I I'm going to like Super 7's and I'd probably like either size but I have some new theoretical data that suggests I should get 180's. My main reason for preferring 188's is the increased float but I did some ciphering and the 188's only have 4% more float than the 180's: 188/180=1.04. (The other ski dimensions are the same for all sizes.) They have remarkably similar float! I like more float for deep snow and also in shallow snow to keep from hitting bottom but 4% is too little to make a difference.  

 

The 180's are probably significantly softer and have a tighter turn radius which would make them noticably quicker turning so they would be better in tighter situations like trees, bumps, chutes, etc. The 180's wouldn't be as stable or damp but it sounds like Super 7's are good enough that way. If conditions warrant stable and damp skis, I'm more inclined to prefer to control my speed via turning more than charge through it. 

 

By the way, here is another reason for Rossi to make the 2017's stiffer: Since the 188's are soft enough for guys that weigh 165 lbs, they are probably too soft for guys over 195 lbs. That leaves out a lot of potential customers. Stiffer Super 7's could be better for everyone. People inbetween sizes could drop down a size and get almost as much float, enough stability, and quicker turning skis. 

 

For all practical purposes, changing length one stop up or down rarely influences "float". It does change stability. Sometimes pretty noticeably.

 

More sidecut does not mean faster turning in soft snow. The most nimble turners in powder actually have negative sidecut & no camber. So if you want fast turning in trees in powder, well designed rocker combined with a wider radius is generally your friend. Or something very five-pointy with a short length of sidecut...

 

As a Praxis fan, I feel compelled to mention that Keith at Praxis will build you a ski with whatever flex you want (within sane bounds). The GPO is a proven design of roughly similar dimensions to the Super 7. As the ski's designer, he can give very good advice on length and stiffness. Though I'll note that I'm over 200 pounds and quite like the stock flex. The spring pre-order sale (essentially "free" customization) is coming up in a couple of weeks.

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^ they are fun.  You might find this useful. 

 

http://www.epicski.com/t/123787/2014-rossignol-super-7

 

That was interesting. Thank you!

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Originally Posted by spindrift View Post
 

 

For all practical purposes, changing length one stop up or down rarely influences "float". It does change stability. Sometimes pretty noticeably.

 

More sidecut does not mean faster turning in soft snow. The most nimble turners in powder actually have negative sidecut & no camber. So if you want fast turning in trees in powder, well designed rocker combined with a wider radius is generally your friend. Or something very five-pointy with a short length of sidecut...

 

As a Praxis fan, I feel compelled to mention that Keith at Praxis will build you a ski with whatever flex you want (within sane bounds). The GPO is a proven design of roughly similar dimensions to the Super 7. As the ski's designer, he can give very good advice on length and stiffness. Though I'll note that I'm over 200 pounds and quite like the stock flex. The spring pre-order sale (essentially "free" customization) is coming up in a couple of weeks.

 

Thanks for the info. I need some side cut for run outs on powder days. Also, in heavy fresh snow like wind affected or wet or both, I think side cut helps. 

 

Custom skis don't interest me because I wouldn't know what to ask for and resale value is important to me. 

post #9 of 9
Dtraub, sidecut will actually hurt you in wind affected or heavy snow. Best will be over 25 m.
Certainly 17 m will be a handful
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