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post #31 of 53
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Originally Posted by Atomicman View Post

I have a Kant twist,  have not used in in 10 or 15 years!


So you just keep tuning with the stones and files in exactly the same spot all season.....Sorry..........................you lose!

Never said I didn't adjust the position of the tools on a periodic basis. It is still faster to have everything set up in a number of edgers and adjust every so often, than have one edger and have to remove the entire tool.

Won't matter after this season anyway....I'm ordering a Snowglide grinder...too many skis to keep sharp and spending too much time doing it.
post #32 of 53
Why the Snowglide as opposed to the Protek, Fogman, TriOne etc?
post #33 of 53
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Originally Posted by CaptainKirk View Post


Never said I didn't adjust the position of the tools on a periodic basis. It is still faster to have everything set up in a number of edgers and adjust every so often, than have one edger and have to remove the entire tool.

Won't matter after this season anyway....I'm ordering a Snowglide grinder...too many skis to keep sharp and spending too much time doing it.

Now you're talkin'!

post #34 of 53
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Originally Posted by Tog View Post


The idea of getting shim plates to pile on an svst guide is just silly for edge work unless it's for doing an initial cut back. Say to 4 degrees then remove shim to finish edge at 3.
 

on the contrary, it is quite an ingenious system.

 

With a couple of 3 degree tools and a 2 and 4 and 2 one degree a 2 & 3 degree shim, I can make numerous combos of side edge angles.

 

For Example,  if I am doing a 4 degree,  I take the 2 1 degree shims and add one each to my 3's, have a 4 dedicated and the 2 shim to a 2 degree gives me 4,  4 degree tools ! etc.  so I can set up say 1 file a file and 3 with a progression of stones! When I am done with the file I can put a 4th diamond in that one so a progression of 4 diamonds all set up without changing  as I polish!

post #35 of 53
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Originally Posted by Tog View Post

Why the Snowglide as opposed to the Protek, Fogman, TriOne etc?

Tried them all. I like the ones that work with the base up better than the ones that you grind with the edge up. The Protek was a very very close second to the Snowglide. The SG AF-C and Protek are basically the same price, because the travel case for the Protek is extra. I really like using both of them. The Snowglide is a well known device in racing circles, so I was able to get more feedback from users.

I not ordering until early summer, so who knows, I may change and go with the Protek...they are really close in function.

Edit: I was settled on the Snowglide, but darn it, you got me thinking again about the Protek...LOL
Edited by CaptainKirk - 3/11/16 at 11:44am
post #36 of 53
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Originally Posted by Atomicman View Post

Yep!  You got it bassackwards bro! That is Soooooooooooo  ackward!  you should always have the base away from you and when filing only PULL the file towards you!  Diamond stones you use a back and forth polishing motion.

Lol. Been doing it that way for 25 years! Diamond stone goes back and forth. File only one way, of course, but I always push it, not pull.

Guess I'll try it the right way and see what I've been missing all these years.
post #37 of 53

The ProTek unit is good but the SnowGlide is just so incredibly easy to use and there is nothing to adjust, the spring pressure makes it self adjusting and nearly idiot proof.  

 

For an upright unit, the Montana Monty Edger is a very user friendly unit, but, Montana must be very proud of it because it cost about twice as much as it should.

post #38 of 53
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Originally Posted by Alpha407 View Post


Lol. Been doing it that way for 25 years! Diamond stone goes back and forth. File only one way, of course, but I always push it, not pull.

Guess I'll try it the right way and see what I've been missing all these years.

I'm not sure which way is "the right" way I just know what works for me and as I mentioned earlier, bases toward me, with a hand on each end of the file guide, just seems odd as he11 to me.

 

But, having just been in a wax room not to long ago, you certainly aren't alone because I see many using that same technique.  Of course I also saw a ski race parent free handing the base bevel of their kids race skis with a bastard file, too.  That made many in the room, literally, stop and stare in amazement.  I almost spit water out my nose and got us all busted for staring when I saw one of the coaches mouthing the words W T F is he doing. lol

post #39 of 53
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Originally Posted by MoJo23 View Post

The ProTek unit is good but the SnowGlide is just so incredibly easy to use and there is nothing to adjust, the spring pressure makes it self adjusting and nearly idiot proof.  

For an upright unit, the Montana Monty Edger is a very user friendly unit, but, Montana must be very proud of it because it cost about twice as much as it should.

I think that's why I'm 99% to the SG AF-C. Fixed 1-4 angles, simpler than the Protek, not much to go wrong with the design.

The Montanna is way overpriced for what it is...a $3000 slicker version of a Diskman.
post #40 of 53
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Originally Posted by ZrxMan01 View Post

Being the tool junkie I am I ended up with all of them over the years.





The SVST with a spring clamp gets the most use because it's so quick and easy to change out the stones.

I use the SOB pro when doing actual file work because I like the way it holds the file securely.

I have the pocket beast which is in my "to go" bag.

Lastly the silly roller guides NEVER get used. Uggg.

Oh yeah and it's all three degrees.

+ 10 agree.  Although I never use spring clamps or otherwise because I use Side Of The BEAST Pro. 

 

I do not like spring clamps Sam I am.  I do not like Green Eggs & Ham!  Side Of The Beast is the way to go.....that is if you're a pro!

post #41 of 53

Now I must go do the first tune on a pair of 2009 Nordica Hot Rod HELLCAT XBI Skis.  Darn things appear to have almost never been used!  Major score for a girl friend at 100 dollars only!  Maybe the original owner did not like them because they have never been tuned.  I know that because I just finished the base edges with the file.  No base damage at all.  No repair work.  Pretty much virgin!  Can you tell I'm stoked?

post #42 of 53

:eek:confused 

 

You have a girlfriend???? 

 

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Originally Posted by Jacques View Post
 

Now I must go do the first tune on a pair of 2009 Nordica Hot Rod HELLCAT XBI Skis.  Darn things appear to have almost never been used!  Major score for a girl friend at 100 dollars only!  Maybe the original owner did not like them because they have never been tuned.  I know that because I just finished the base edges with the file.  No base damage at all.  No repair work.  Pretty much virgin!  Can you tell I'm stoked?

post #43 of 53
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Originally Posted by Jacques View Post
 

Now I must go do the first tune on a pair of 2009 Nordica Hot Rod HELLCAT XBI Skis.  Darn things appear to have almost never been used!  Major score for a girl friend at 100 dollars only!  Maybe the original owner did not like them because they have never been tuned.  I know that because I just finished the base edges with the file.  No base damage at all.  No repair work.  Pretty much virgin!  Can you tell I'm stoked?

 

I gotta go do my older boys skis.
 
Masters  SG and GS races  this weekend @ Stevens Pass!
post #44 of 53
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Originally Posted by Atomicman View Post
 

:eek:confused 

 

You have a girlfriend???? 

 

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Originally Posted by Jacques View Post
 

Now I must go do the first tune on a pair of 2009 Nordica Hot Rod HELLCAT XBI Skis.  Darn things appear to have almost never been used!  Major score for a girl friend at 100 dollars only!  Maybe the original owner did not like them because they have never been tuned.  I know that because I just finished the base edges with the file.  No base damage at all.  No repair work.  Pretty much virgin!  Can you tell I'm stoked?

 

 

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Originally Posted by Atomicman View Post
 
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Originally Posted by Jacques View Post
 

Now I must go do the first tune on a pair of 2009 Nordica Hot Rod HELLCAT XBI Skis.  Darn things appear to have almost never been used!  Major score for a girl friend at 100 dollars only!  Maybe the original owner did not like them because they have never been tuned.  I know that because I just finished the base edges with the file.  No base damage at all.  No repair work.  Pretty much virgin!  Can you tell I'm stoked?

 

I gotta go do my older boys skis.
 
Masters  SG and GS races  this weekend @ Stevens Pass!


  I guess we just like working on skis.  Anyway, I have lots of girlfriends!  Most are my wife's friends!  You would tune for them too I'm sure!

The one I am tuning for is on the left. 

 

This is my wife.  She holds black belts in ten different martial arts, so you see what I'm saying?   One does not mess with her as she can kick my face off!

 

A bit off the subject, but humor is always good. 

Anyway the skis are looking good and she will be very happy with them.  At 90mm under foot it will be the fattest ski she has ever skied yet.  One step at a time.

post #45 of 53
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Originally Posted by CaptainKirk View Post
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Atomicman View Post

I have a Kant twist,  have not used in in 10 or 15 years!


So you just keep tuning with the stones and files in exactly the same spot all season.....Sorry..........................you lose!

Never said I didn't adjust the position of the tools on a periodic basis. It is still faster to have everything set up in a number of edgers and adjust every so often, than have one edger and have to remove the entire tool.

Won't matter after this season anyway....I'm ordering a Snowglide grinder...too many skis to keep sharp and spending too much time doing it.


Are you loosing command?  Is your ship off course?  No problem..........SnowGlide is on the way!

post #46 of 53
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Originally Posted by CaptainKirk View Post


I think that's why I'm 99% to the SG AF-C. Fixed 1-4 angles, simpler than the Protek, not much to go wrong with the design.

The Montanna is way overpriced for what it is...a $3000 slicker version of a Diskman.

 

I'm looking into this as well.  However I also heard the SG's fixed angles are very difficult to calibrate if you ever need to....while with the Protek given the 0.1* increments you can simply measure and adjust based on how much it is out.  (e.g. if you are trying to go 3* and in actuality it measures 2.7*.....click to 3.3* and you are golden). With the SG if you are really at 2.7* you are stuck there.

 

Maybe in the big picture it's not critical, but certainly something to consider given the prices are so similar.  The higher end SG no issues as that has 0.1* adjustment.

post #47 of 53

:D:beercheer: 

 

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Originally Posted by Jacques View Post
 

 

 


  I guess we just like working on skis.  Anyway, I have lots of girlfriends!  Most are my wife's friends!  You would tune for them too I'm sure!

The one I am tuning for is on the left. 

 

This is my wife.  She holds black belts in ten different martial arts, so you see what I'm saying?   One does not mess with her as she can kick my face off!

 

A bit off the subject, but humor is always good. 

Anyway the skis are looking good and she will be very happy with them.  At 90mm under foot it will be the fattest ski she has ever skied yet.  One step at a time.

post #48 of 53
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Originally Posted by CaptainKirk View Post


I think that's why I'm 99% to the SG AF-C. Fixed 1-4 angles, simpler than the Protek, not much to go wrong with the design.

The Montanna is way overpriced for what it is...a $3000 slicker version of a Diskman.

 

I'm looking into this as well.  However I also heard the SG's fixed angles are very difficult to calibrate if you ever need to....while with the Protek given the 0.1* increments you can simply measure and adjust based on how much it is out.  (e.g. if you are trying to go 3* and in actuality it measures 2.7*.....click to 3.3* and you are golden). With the SG if you are really at 2.7* you are stuck there.

 

Maybe in the big picture it's not critical, but certainly something to consider given the prices are so similar.  The higher end SG no issues as that has 0.1* adjustment.


I hate to post this list as I hate any kind of machine work, but also don't like to diss anybody personally.  That said, SnowGile would be your best bet,  This play list is fun though!

Some true hacking going on here.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL0CC7E0534EE70ADB

post #49 of 53
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Originally Posted by Jacques View Post


I hate to post this list as I hate any kind of machine work, but also don't like to diss anybody personally.  That said, SnowGile would be your best bet,  This play list is fun though!
Some true hacking going on here.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL0CC7E0534EE70ADB

I hear you on this. I actually like the feel of tools in my hand. Not just skis. Some of the woodwork projects that I am most proud of were completely done with hand tools.

That being said, in the winter I work full time as well as coach. I am tuning my skis, family's race skis, friends show up wanting their skis tuned, show race parents how to tune, etc. It is just too much to do by hand week in and week out with my limited time.
post #50 of 53
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Originally Posted by CaptainKirk View Post
 
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Originally Posted by Jacques View Post


I hate to post this list as I hate any kind of machine work, but also don't like to diss anybody personally.  That said, SnowGile would be your best bet,  This play list is fun though!
Some true hacking going on here.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL0CC7E0534EE70ADB

I hear you on this. I actually like the feel of tools in my hand. Not just skis. Some of the woodwork projects that I am most proud of were completely done with hand tools.

That being said, in the winter I work full time as well as coach. I am tuning my skis, family's race skis, friends show up wanting their skis tuned, show race parents how to tune, etc. It is just too much to do by hand week in and week out with my limited time.


SnowGlide + respirator and you're golden!

post #51 of 53
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Originally Posted by Jacques View Post
 


SnowGlide + respirator and you're golden!

Since CaptainKirk is doing a lot of race skis, he's probably using HF's, so he already has a respirator and when he starts using that new SnowGlide, he'll use that fancy respirator more and it'll lower his cost per use.  See Jacques, you're saving him money already!!! :yahoo: 

post #52 of 53
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Originally Posted by MoJo23 View Post

Since CaptainKirk is doing a lot of race skis, he's probably using HF's, so he already has a respirator and when he starts using that new SnowGlide, he'll use that fancy respirator more and it'll lower his cost per use.  See Jacques, you're saving him money already!!! yahoo.gif  

Respirator? Who needs a stinking respirator? I love the smell of burning HF in the morning.
post #53 of 53
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Originally Posted by CaptainKirk View Post
 
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Originally Posted by MoJo23 View Post

Since CaptainKirk is doing a lot of race skis, he's probably using HF's, so he already has a respirator and when he starts using that new SnowGlide, he'll use that fancy respirator more and it'll lower his cost per use.  See Jacques, you're saving him money already!!! yahoo.gif  

Respirator? Who needs a stinking respirator? I love the smell of burning HF in the morning.


Is that what you call a "wake and bake" ?

 

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