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Toe piece adjustment

post #1 of 11
Thread Starter 

On the chair lift, I noticed that my boot could move a little in the toe piece when I swung the ski up and down. How tight should a toe piece be on the boot front lip?

post #2 of 11
With the boot in the binding, there should be a 0.5mm gap between the AFD and the bootsole. What binding are you using? And what boots?
post #3 of 11
Thread Starter 

Salomon STH2 13. Was wearing Quest 120:s when I noticed the slight wiggle. Also own XMAX 120:s. Haven't noticed it with them, but that doesn't mean it's not there.

 

0.5 mm is not much, but I guess it could be felt when you swing a ski up and down like I did.

post #4 of 11
I switched to Marker years ago because of Salomon toe piece problems on two different pair. Had hoped that was over as I hate the Griffons I've got. :-(
post #5 of 11

If the Quests are older than the XMAX 120s, they may have more wear on the soles, which would cause some wiggle.

 

Most Salomon toes must be set for height and wing width for each boot.  A lot of people don't like that, so they use a different brand.  I personally like it, and am used to adjusting my bindings every time I change boots. 

post #6 of 11
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Originally Posted by sibhusky View Post

I switched to Marker years ago because of Salomon toe piece problems on two different pair. Had hoped that was over as I hate the Griffons I've got. :-(

Not a problem at all. I can pick up a screw driver and adjust it to 0.5 mm (if it's not already--thanks mtcyclist). Sth 2 13 is a great binding. Nothing noticable when skiing, only when I did that goofy manoevre in the lift.
post #7 of 11
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Originally Posted by sibhusky View Post

I switched to Marker years ago because of Salomon toe piece problems on two different pair. Had hoped that was over as I hate the Griffons I've got. :-(

Switch to Look.  Griffons are horrid.

post #8 of 11
When I said toe piece problems, I meant not fixable, both pair had to be replaced before the skis did. So I stopped buying Salomon even though I'd been a believer for decades.
post #9 of 11

Is that a Salomon with adjustable wings on the Toe Piece?

 

If so, the adjustment screw loosens and you have to retighten the wings.   Will defintley cause slop!

 

Hate those damn things if it is!

 

From the 2013 Salomon/Atomic Tech Manual:

 

Independent Wing Adjustment Models. The adjustment screws for models with independent wing adjustments are located on each side of the toe piece. Adjust each wing snugly against the boot sole so that the boot is centered over the ski. Fig. A Do not over tighten Fig. S as it forces the boot backward, increasing the forward pressure. When properly adjusted, the toe contacts the boot sole at three points: the butt plate and the low friction inserts in each wing arm.

 

Simultaneous Wing Adjustment Models. The adjustment screw for models with simultaneous wing adjustments is located on the left of the toe piece. Fig. D By turning this screw, both toe wings adjust simultaneously. Adjust the wings snugly against the boot sole. Do not over tighten. The toe cup adjustment is correct when there are three points of contact: the butt plate and the low friction inserts on each wing arm.

 

Automatic Wing Adjustment Models. No toe cup width adjustment is necessary for automatic wing adjustment models. Some junior model bindings adjust automatically to accept either children’s or adult norm boots. (The added width of an adult norm boot sole somewhat limits the shock absorption capability of bindings that can be used with both junior and adult norm boot soles. It is suggested that aggressive junior skiers with an adult norm boot sole use a model designed exclusively for adult norm boots.)

 

All Atomic and Salomon binding models must have a clearance of 0-0.5 mm between the AFD and boot toe. Fig. F Automatic Height Adjustment Models. No toe height adjustment is necessary for automatic toe adjustment models.

 

 

Manual Toe Height Adjustment Models. Raise the toe by turning the adjustment screw, located on top of the toe piece, counterclockwise. Pull the boot back to create a gap between the boot sole and the binding AFD. Adjust the toe height to create a gap of not more than 0.5 mm or until the boot sole just touches the AFD. You can use a 0.5 mm Toe Height Adjustment Card to gauge this clearance Fig. G-H. Do not over tighten.

 

Always re-check the forward pressure adjustment after making any toe height or wing adjustments. G H Reference Page # Section Name 25 Release Value Selection & Adjustment 39

post #10 of 11

A big problem that people have is with toe wing screws stripping out.  I have never had this issue, and I have owned over 20 pairs of Salomon bindings, some with single-screw plastic toes, and some with dual-screw toes.

 

I believe the reason that people have issues with their toe wing screws stripping, is that they OVER TIGHTEN the screws.  It's mentioned in the manual not to over tighten them, but most people don't realize that they just need to be touching your boot.

 

Also, don't kick the snow off your boots on your toe pieces.  Drag your boots on your heels.

post #11 of 11
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Originally Posted by Caucasian Asian View Post
 

A big problem that people have is with toe wing screws stripping out.  I have never had this issue, and I have owned over 20 pairs of Salomon bindings, some with single-screw plastic toes, and some with dual-screw toes.

 

I believe the reason that people have issues with their toe wing screws stripping, is that they OVER TIGHTEN the screws.  It's mentioned in the manual not to over tighten them, but most people don't realize that they just need to be touching your boot.

 

Also, don't kick the snow off your boots on your toe pieces.  Drag your boots on your heels.

My experience is they don't have to be stripped to be problematic. They just don't stay adjusted. 

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