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Dont have the control i want in my boots

post #1 of 11
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Hey Guys,

 

In October I went to best "bootfitter" I could find around Munich and he put me in a 28 Dalbello Panterra 120 with the tongue liner. I can ski them okay, but they still dont feel too good. Im always feeling somewhat disconnected to the Ski, the soles of my feet are burning sometimes and I feel like there is more pressure on the area where the top buckle is and I often have the urge to open my buckles up in the lift. I added booster straps which helped a bit, but I am still not completely happy. I also noticed: the lower and middle buckle are buckled in the middle, but I really have to tighten the top buckle to have enough control.

 

I went back to the bootfitter and he thinned out the liner at some pressure points i had, but that didnt really fix the problem.


A few things i learned that are important for fitting?
My feet measure 30 (left) and right 29,5 (right) cm and he gave me a 28, after i asked for number smaller when he first got me a 29.
My feet measure 109 (left) and a 110 (right) in width.
Flat foot with lots of pronation and really flexible ankle joint and high instep.
Im 6'4 and weigh around 90 kgs. 
Ski quite aggressively in all kinds of terrain, sometimes in the park.

I have 20 days in them so far.


I have two kinds of footbeds, one from my old race boots in which i also always had problems, 7 years ago, which is very rigid but seems to cause me even more burning in the sole of the feet. The other ones are instaprint footbeds from the boots I got last year, which are more flexible the other ones.

So here are my questions:
- Could my problems result from the 3 buckle system of the Panterra? Too low of a cuff for a tall guy like me?
- Could the Footbed from my race boots just be a bad one and/or the instaprint one be to flexible? 
- Could it be that the standard liner in the boot is not very good and I should switch to an intuition?
- Or do I just have to deal with a little pain here and there, when sliding down a mountain on a pair wide skis? :D

Thanks for any help and tips, really appreciate it!!

post #2 of 11
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Originally Posted by MisterM View Post
 

So here are my questions:
1  Could my problems result from the 3 buckle system of the Panterra? Too low of a cuff for a tall guy like me?
2  Could the Footbed from my race boots just be a bad one and/or the instaprint one be to flexible? 
3   Could it be that the standard liner in the boot is not very good and I should switch to an intuition?
4   Or do I just have to deal with a little pain here and there, when sliding down a mountain on a pair wide skis? :D

Thanks for any help and tips, really appreciate it!!

1)  maybe, but unlikley a cuff height issue.   but you can add a taller rear spoiler to the back of the boot to try, and make sure the tougue of the boot is pulled all the way up

 

2)  Maybe:   swap them and see what feels better to you.

 

3)   odds are agaist this. but maybe a thicker liner might help the upper calf, but hurt the lower foot

 

4)  a bit,    do skinny skis help all this?   how wide a ski are you on?

post #3 of 11
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Originally Posted by mntlion View Post
 

1)  maybe, but unlikley a cuff height issue.   but you can add a taller rear spoiler to the back of the boot to try, and make sure the tougue of the boot is pulled all the way up

 

2)  Maybe:   swap them and see what feels better to you.

 

3)   odds are agaist this. but maybe a thicker liner might help the upper calf, but hurt the lower foot

 

4)  a bit,    do skinny skis help all this?   how wide a ski are you on?

2) Took the instaprint one today, worked pretty good. Think i am going to stick with this one.

 

3) Went skiing today, not before getting my old full tilt intuition liners baked in the shell. Damn those feel good on the foot. Really responsive, tighter and warmer than the stock liners. BUT i did one tail press and started noticing a pain in the back of the cuff, where the liner ends. One more little backseat landing and it was really painful. So much that i swapped for the stock liners. Same problem as before, but lower leg was fine :D

 

4) Yeah i think so, the wider skis are harder on my legs. I usually ride 92s, but when the snows good i pull out my Bent Chetlers (120 underfoot)

 

Thanks for your help and time! 

post #4 of 11

Burning under the feet is often caused by tightness in the calf muscles or more basically by limited ability to dorsiflex.  People with a flexible foot ofgter don't suffer from lack of dorsiflexion but you should have it checked.  Also burning can be caused by overusing muscles which can be caused by boots that are too loose and it sounds that may be happening to you.

 

The Panterra is not a low volume boot which should work OK with your high instep, but height is in the eye of the beholder and without pics I can't say we'll agree.

 

It sounds to me as if your boot may be to high volume and that is not well fixed with new liners.

 

Lou

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Originally Posted by Lou Rosenfeld View Post
 

Burning under the feet is often caused by tightness in the calf muscles or more basically by limited ability to dorsiflex.  People with a flexible foot ofgter don't suffer from lack of dorsiflexion but you should have it checked.  Also burning can be caused by overusing muscles which can be caused by boots that are too loose and it sounds that may be happening to you.

 

The Panterra is not a low volume boot which should work OK with your high instep, but height is in the eye of the beholder and without pics I can't say we'll agree.

 

It sounds to me as if your boot may be to high volume and that is not well fixed with new liners.

 

Lou

Hi Lou,

 

thanks for the reply. 

 

I quickly shot 2 pictures, sorry that I could not turn them:

 

http://www.directupload.net/file/d/4288/ylfewzyo_jpg.htm

http://www.directupload.net/file/d/4288/o9b4q8i3_jpg.htm

 

Regarding dorsiflexion: I did the test where you sit on a chair  legs 90 degrees and lift the forefoot. I can lift them pretty high, definitely more than 2 fingers.

 

Regarding liner: As i said in the last post, i tried my old intuition liner, newly baked, and it felt awesome! If only the problem on the cuff wasnt there. The edge of the liner really feels quite stiff.

 

 

Hope you guys can help me, really appreciate it.

post #6 of 11

in the pic you appear to have fairly large calf muscles---could you measure the circumference of your calves at the top of the liner?

 

mike

post #7 of 11
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Originally Posted by miketsc View Post
 

in the pic you appear to have fairly large calf muscles---could you measure the circumference of your calves at the top of the liner?

 

mike

Hi mike,

 

the circumference is 36 cm at the top of the intuition liner.

Should be a little more if i measure at the stock liner...

 

Thanks

post #8 of 11
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Originally Posted by MisterM View Post
 

Hi mike,

 

the circumference is 36 cm at the top of the intuition liner.

Should be a little more if i measure at the stock liner...

 

Thanks

Your boot has too much forward lean for the size calf muscles you have---there are ways to modify forward lean on that boot pretty easily.

 

Too much forward lean will cause your quads to burn and push into the back of your calf --- which also indicates you a re probably skiing in the back seat at times.  This also affects your fore/aft balance position, which goes along with you not having the control you would like.

 

mike

post #9 of 11
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Originally Posted by miketsc View Post
 

Your boot has too much forward lean for the size calf muscles you have---there are ways to modify forward lean on that boot pretty easily.

 

Too much forward lean will cause your quads to burn and push into the back of your calf --- which also indicates you a re probably skiing in the back seat at times.  This also affects your fore/aft balance position, which goes along with you not having the control you would like.

 

mike

Hey mike,

 

my bootfitter told me about the adjustable footboard in the boot and said i should adjust it depending on how it feels.

I raised the bootboard to the highest position (lower than that and i have a feeling of falling in the backseat) in order to get a balanced feeling, Pressure on the "tongue" of the boot, i dont thing i am skiing backseat. The push into the back of my calf doesnt happen with the stockliner, though.

 

Is there a way to test the right forward lean?

 

Thanks again

post #10 of 11
There is a sweet spot under your feet, just behind your met heads where if, your center of mass is hovering just over it, your skis will seem to stear themselves to exactly where you intended them to go. This hovering spot is controlled by several things, boot board angle, binding heel to toe differential(delta angle) , forward lean of the boot, calf circumference and tibia length. What you need is a balance specialist---I don't think I could address all the issues from here😎

Mike
post #11 of 11
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Originally Posted by miketsc View Post

There is a sweet spot under your feet, just behind your met heads where if, your center of mass is hovering just over it, your skis will seem to stear themselves to exactly where you intended them to go. This hovering spot is controlled by several things, boot board angle, binding heel to toe differential(delta angle) , forward lean of the boot, calf circumference and tibia length. What you need is a balance specialist---I don't think I could address all the issues from here😎

Mike

 

Hi Mike, 

 

I just re-read your comments. I lowered the bootboard and stepped into the boot, the pain on the back of the calf is still there. 

Also while skiing i dont really feel my quads are burning.

With lack of control i mean a lack of direct power transmission, which is what i achieved while skiing the intuition liner for a few hours. 

 

What im confused about: The pain in the back of the calf ist not there with the stock liner.

 

The Powerwrap is really stiff/hard in the whole cuff area, is that normal? Can i soften them up?

Do you have any other ideas?

 

Thanks for your help!

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