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post #1 of 12
Thread Starter 

We have the championship race for my kids this weekend in Minnesota and we have some challenging conditions for figuring out wax that I'm hoping I can receive some advice on.

 

It was in the 50's the past week, but has been below freezing for 3 days now. Saturday night is suppose to be between 30 and 35. The first run will be around 40 degrees with the second run in the afternoon in the 50's. If it was last weekend where it had been in the 50s for several days, I would have started with a base prep and then used Swix LF10 probably. I'm not sure though now as the snow will be colder than the air, but then will start melting pretty fast and have high humidity. Still tempted to use LF10, and then cork on some hard wax on the hill.

 

Any thoughts would be appreciated. Just a kids race, but it means a lot to them and they will be doing the prep work to get ready. Thanks.

post #2 of 12

Sounds like old snow is highly likely and refrozen possibly- of course it helps to know the snow temperature too, not just the air. I'd consider some warmer graphite as one option (Swix has cold and warm graphite wax). Cheap enough that you could iron it in and then check glide and see if you need to cork something else to adjust the last minute in. Dominator has old snow and new snow waxes that can be of help. If it snows the night before, then unless the course gets scrapped down to the underneath frozen stuff, then the old snow is a wrong bet. 

 

The warmer it is, then the harder a glide can be- sometimes no wax at all and clean base can be faster than the wrong wax. Structure can be important also. Last weekend we had 60's and sun, waxed 2 different times with some of the warmest wax I had with me (snow temp 38 in shade, 40 in the sun) and course got soft and mash potato snow.


Edited by RShea - 3/9/16 at 10:17am
post #3 of 12

It's overkill to worry about such things for kid races, but if you really want to, then go with LF8/LF10 combo (or if you really have waaay too much money, HF8/HF10 combo with warn HVC on top :) ). But seriously... for kid races normal CH waxes are more then enough.

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Originally Posted by rokclymbr View Post
 

We have the championship race for my kids this weekend in Minnesota and we have some challenging conditions for figuring out wax that I'm hoping I can receive some advice on.

 

It was in the 50's the past week, but has been below freezing for 3 days now. Saturday night is suppose to be between 30 and 35. The first run will be around 40 degrees with the second run in the afternoon in the 50's. If it was last weekend where it had been in the 50s for several days, I would have started with a base prep and then used Swix LF10 probably. I'm not sure though now as the snow will be colder than the air, but then will start melting pretty fast and have high humidity. Still tempted to use LF10, and then cork on some hard wax on the hill.

 

Any thoughts would be appreciated. Just a kids race, but it means a lot to them and they will be doing the prep work to get ready. Thanks.


Keep it simple.  Race Zoom Old Snow.  If super wet use Butter for an overlay.  BTW, too soft of wax can kill you.  Don't make that mistake.
 

post #5 of 12

I always follow Eric's suggestions from Pierce.  He works with the Pierce team and the Buck Hill racers.

 

http://pierceskateandski.com/erics_tuning


Edited by nflanagin - 3/6/16 at 8:01pm
post #6 of 12
Swix mb 77. It's a great, affordable all condition race layer. Works well in the east.
post #7 of 12
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Originally Posted by nflanagin View Post
 

I always follow Eric's suggestions from Pierce.  He works with the Pierce team and the Buck Hill racers.

 

http://pierceskateandski.com/erics_tuning


Hmmm.  Swix glide wax cleaner.............

post #8 of 12
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Originally Posted by rokclymbr View Post
 

We have the championship race for my kids this weekend in Minnesota and we have some challenging conditions for figuring out wax that I'm hoping I can receive some advice on.

 

It was in the 50's the past week, but has been below freezing for 3 days now. Saturday night is suppose to be between 30 and 35. The first run will be around 40 degrees with the second run in the afternoon in the 50's. If it was last weekend where it had been in the 50s for several days, I would have started with a base prep and then used Swix LF10 probably. I'm not sure though now as the snow will be colder than the air, but then will start melting pretty fast and have high humidity. Still tempted to use LF10, and then cork on some hard wax on the hill.

 

Any thoughts would be appreciated. Just a kids race, but it means a lot to them and they will be doing the prep work to get ready. Thanks.

All-Temp Dominator Race Wax

 

 

www.dominatorwax.com

 

 

http://www.dominatorwax.com/products

post #9 of 12
Thread Starter 

Thanks everyone for the suggestions. I had forgotten about Eric at Pierce and he recommended a black moly base and then LF or HF 10 so I did that. Worked great on GS in the morning when the snow temp was around 37, but in the afternoon, air temp was close to 60 with everything melting fast and it was rough skiing for everyone.

 

primoz, you're right in that some of this if overkill for the kids, but allowing them to have a say and do some of the work, makes them appreciate it more. I have most of the equipment already for myself and so it is easy and doesn't cost too much extra, plus they learn a lot and take ownership.

 

Thanks again.

post #10 of 12

It seems that around here (Southern New England) no matter how warm the air, the actual course this time of year is very firm and icy.  The slush gets piled up beyond the ruts but that's not really the surface they are skiing on.  I usually use Dominator Hyperzoom +/- corking in some Race Rocket for the second run.

post #11 of 12

Rokclymbr there was missunderstanding I guess :) I didn't mean preparing skis for kid races is overkill. It's fine, and they should learn how to do this, as in my mind, it's one of things every skier should know how to do (believe it or not, there's few WC racers, who don't know how to do this... before their parents and coaches prepared their skis, now their servicemen do this job, so they were never doing this themself). So it's fine they do this, and honestly, I support idea they start taking care of their skis as early as possible. But I meant it's overkill to bother with fluoro waxes and bugging what to wax for first run and what for second run, because temperature would be few degrees different.

post #12 of 12
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Originally Posted by rokclymbr View Post
 

Thanks everyone for the suggestions. I had forgotten about Eric at Pierce and he recommended a black moly base and then LF or HF 10 so I did that. Worked great on GS in the morning when the snow temp was around 37, but in the afternoon, air temp was close to 60 with everything melting fast and it was rough skiing for everyone.

 

primoz, you're right in that some of this if overkill for the kids, but allowing them to have a say and do some of the work, makes them appreciate it more. I have most of the equipment already for myself and so it is easy and doesn't cost too much extra, plus they learn a lot and take ownership.

 

Thanks again.

 

 

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Originally Posted by hirustler View Post
 

It seems that around here (Southern New England) no matter how warm the air, the actual course this time of year is very firm and icy.  The slush gets piled up beyond the ruts but that's not really the surface they are skiing on.  I usually use Dominator Hyperzoom +/- corking in some Race Rocket for the second run.

 

 

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Originally Posted by primoz View Post
 

Rokclymbr there was missunderstanding I guess :) I didn't mean preparing skis for kid races is overkill. It's fine, and they should learn how to do this, as in my mind, it's one of things every skier should know how to do (believe it or not, there's few WC racers, who don't know how to do this... before their parents and coaches prepared their skis, now their servicemen do this job, so they were never doing this themself). So it's fine they do this, and honestly, I support idea they start taking care of their skis as early as possible. But I meant it's overkill to bother with fluoro waxes and bugging what to wax for first run and what for second run, because temperature would be few degrees different.


All great comments.  I would second them pretty much for what it's worth.  Getting the kids involved in what it takes,  to get out of it what you put into it,  no matter how simple it may be or more complex is all good for them.

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