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How does my skiing look?

post #1 of 28
Thread Starter 
This isn't the best footage, but it's something. Conditions were pretty icy. I'm 16 male, not sure if that matters.

https://youtu.be/A8pujCjj3bQ

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post #2 of 28

I had no idea Bigfoot was such an avid skier!

post #3 of 28
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by The Tortoise View Post
 

I had no idea Bigfoot was such an avid skier!

..​.?

post #4 of 28
The first bit looks like this eerie black shape in the distance. Similar to most Bigfoot videos. He's teasing you.
post #5 of 28
Thread Starter 
Right. How does it look from what is visible?
post #6 of 28
It looks fine to me, but you don't want my opinion, it's the ski nitpickers you want. ;-) All I care is we get to the chair about the same time... Was helping you about the Bigfoot reference.

You might be a little in the back seat. Hard to tell.

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post #7 of 28
One thing I noticed is that when you are starting a turn, you actively twist your upper body to face outside of the turn. It's better to let counter develop naturally by allow your upper body to turn less as the ski is turning under you.
post #8 of 28
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Originally Posted by jzmtl View Post

One thing I noticed is that when you are starting a turn, you actively twist your upper body to face outside of the turn. It's better to let counter develop naturally by allow your upper body to turn less as the ski is turning under you.

to follow on to this ^^^^, most of the "action" happens all at the same time, then you sorta ride the edges until the next burst of action.

ideally one turn flows into the next, with no sudden spikes of action but rather a continual flow

post #9 of 28
I noticed two things:
- your arms are down by your side instead of reaching forwards down the hill,
- you aren't planting your poles at all.
Footage isn't really clear enough for me to tell anything beyond that.
post #10 of 28
Thread Starter 
https://youtu.be/5D6Ii1r7xZI

Another view

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post #11 of 28
Arms up higher and forward would be a huge improvement.
post #12 of 28

I think you have some skills, but I think conceptually you would benefit greatly if you can make some changes. 

 

The turn shape you are showing is a snaky type turn,  but I don't think they are the best shape to show off your skills.  In that sense I would advise you to pay more attention to shaping the top and bottom of each turn. A little further across the hill both at inception and completion of each turn would show more of your skill set.  But what I see from a movement standpoint based on what you've shown is that you tend to move laterally side to side with little forward projection. And while I see that you need to project your CoM more down the hill this may be a result of your concept of the turn shape and what you're trying to accomplish.  Additionally, I think you "balance point" where you tend to ride on the ski could be moved a few inches forward. From the angle of the camera it appears that you ride the ski a bit too far behind to be efficient in guiding action.   

 

Again, while the snaky turn shape is fine for a demo vid I'd like to see something rounder. I think this is dictated by the terrain, so if this is what you have to work with perhaps a longer radius turn would reveal a better view of your bread and butter skiing. 

post #13 of 28
Thread Starter 

Bit confused on what you are explaining...

post #14 of 28
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Originally Posted by coasterblu View Post
 

Bit confused on what you are explaining...

 

 

It would be helpful if you asked a specific question.

post #15 of 28
Thread Starter 

Can you try to clarify what you explained?

post #16 of 28
Basically, he wants to see more of your skiing, maybe from a slightly different angle and on a different slope. Otherwise, this is what he is seeing:
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But what I see from a movement standpoint based on what you've shown is that you tend to move laterally side to side with little forward projection. And while I see that you need to project your CoM more down the hill this may be a result of your concept of the turn shape and what you're trying to accomplish. Additionally, I think you "balance point" where you tend to ride on the ski could be moved a few inches forward. From the angle of the camera it appears that you ride the ski a bit too far behind to be efficient in guiding action.

I read that as, shift your weight more forward on the ski, more downhill, less back seat.

But these discussions can get really technical, so that's what you're in for.
post #17 of 28
Thread Starter 
So I should be leaning more forward instead of back?
post #18 of 28
Because the video is pretty much head on, and you don't go by the camera, it's tough to tell anything other than you don't use your poles. But I get the sense that you're a bit further back than I'd expect. You're making sort of nice, lazy turns. I didn't feel these were really showing your normal skiing, it's more like you're out for a walk in the park. But I really need to exit the thread, as I'm no "pro".
post #19 of 28
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Originally Posted by sibhusky View Post

But these discussions can get really technical, so that's what you're in for.

I was really trying to avoid that.   Let me approach it differently...

 

ON THAT TERRAIN, for the purposes of demonstration of demonstration of skills, I think I would like to see longer radius turns with the skis coming more ACROSS the slope in the completion/transition/initiation phases of the turn. I think a more rounded (rather than snaky) turn shape will be more instructive for you and either force you out of the strictly lateral movements or show you what you need to to do improve. 

 

The way I teach and analyze always begins with the turn shape. That's why I didn't get too deep into movement analysis.  

post #20 of 28
Try lifting the tail of your inside ski and balance over your outside ski/inside edge and make a slow easy turn.
post #21 of 28
Thread Starter 

 

That is the stabilized version, here is the original: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_MFalZYg04

 

My arms are out front the entire time.

post #22 of 28

"My arms are out front the entire time". That is not what I see. You let your arms hang down to moment you reach the fall line.  Furthermore its looks like you are making turns by throwing your weight from left to right and vice versa in stead of bringing your center of mass forward (by pulling your feet back) and putting your skis on edges. You ski pretty much straight up. Here are two drills for you...

 

 

post #23 of 28
Thread Starter 

It's hard to see from the camera angle, but my arms were out in front the entire time. What do you mean by throwing my weight? And pulling my feet back?

post #24 of 28


Although I am not an instructor, I have something for you. You have a lot to work with and I would highly recommend a lesson from a well qualified instructor. Get a referral - where is this mountain?

 

My suggestion is to spend more time in the turn, to complete the turn. I also think that it would be good to try to drop down as you come around the outside of the turn... more as you finish that part of the turn... a nice firm controlled drop. Works for me. It also might help you get out or the back seat.

 

Telling someone to get out of the back seat is not as helpful as the "how" part.

 

Let's see what others say.

 

Slider said:

 

"The way I teach and analyze always begins with the turn shape. That's why I didn't get too deep into movement analysis"

 

Turn shape can really help a skier at this level.


Edited by Paul Jones - 3/14/16 at 11:37am
post #25 of 28
Thread Starter 
Do you mean to bend down more? Bend my knees more?
post #26 of 28
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Originally Posted by coasterblu View Post

It's hard to see from the camera angle, but my arms were out in front the entire time. What do you mean by throwing my weight? And pulling my feet back?

Look again and look at your left arm. It just hangs the last 4-5 turns. In transition you have to bring your center of mass forward (see up and over drill). For me the easiest way to do this is to pull back my feet and put the skis on edge starting with the new inside foot (see outside foot to outside foot drill). If this is hard to follow for you (which is nothing to be ashamed of), than you should definitely get some lessons. But you could start with the drills.
post #27 of 28

Yer poles are meant for more than just the Oklahoma Suitcase. Stick those things in the snow once in a while; hopefully somewhere forward of yer foot.

 

post #28 of 28
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Originally Posted by coasterblu View Post

Do you mean to bend down more? Bend my knees more?


Yes, let gravity draw you down. Keep good posture and stay centered and don't rush the turn. Your turns are round, but practice staying with it - complete the turn.

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