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post #1 of 29
Thread Starter 

Mountain Collective has Stowe but that's it, and there's the 2-days-per-resort rule to contend with as well. Any other passes for 16/17 that we anticipate will have substantial East Coast participation?

 

Thanks!

post #2 of 29

have you checked out MAX Pass? 

post #3 of 29
Thread Starter 

Just discovered it and it seems like the best option for East Coasters. Anything other than the MAX pass? Thanks!

post #4 of 29

Check out the  Mountains of Distinction Program offered be many Eastern ski areas.

 

 http://www.epicski.com/t/126738/mountains-of-distinction-benefit

 

http://www.skiroundtop.com/mod

 

You still need to have a season pass at one of the areas to participate.

 

These areas include:

 

Ski Roundtop, Ski Liberty, Whitetail, and Seven Springs in Pennsylvania;

Wintergreen in Virginia.

Shawnee Peak in Maine;

Crystal Mountain in Michigan;

Jiminy Peak and Wachusett Mountain in Massachusetts;

Mt. Sunapee in New Hampshire;

Windham, Bristol Mountain, and Holiday Valley in New York;

and Okemo and Jay Peak in Vermont.


Edited by ali pine - 3/3/16 at 5:59am
post #5 of 29
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Mountain Collective has Stowe but that's it, and there's the 2-days-per-resort rule to contend with as well. Any other passes for 16/17 that we anticipate will have substantial East Coast participation?

 

Thanks!


Just to be clear, after the 2 included days at each destination, any additional days are 50% off for someone who has the MCP.

 

With the MAX Pass, 5 days are included for each location but there is no further discount for additional days.  Two ways to get the MAX Pass, either as an add-on to selected premium season passes or as a stand along pass for $600-800 depending on when it's purchased.

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post #7 of 29
The New England pass includes Sunday river , Sugarloaf & Loon. Discounts if you buy it by April 30.
post #8 of 29

The price for the MAX Pass goes up after 5/2/2016.  Added Solitude, Alyeska, and Wachusett for 2016-17.

 

http://www.epicski.com/t/146695/the-max-pass-2016-17-for-25-areas-killington-tremblant-big-sky-steamboat-solitude-brighton-alyeska-plus-18-more

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post #10 of 29

I looked at Mid Atlantic resort pass offerings a couple years ago.  Saw several that looked very enticing and thrifty... until I dug in to the blackout dates.  It seems that in the West and Midwest you can still find resorts that offer full access passes for under $500 that have no blackout dates.  I believe that Timberline might have GREAT deals on passes since they are perpetually in dire financial condition and always scrambling to raise capital quickly.  Other than that, I haven't found anything for under $1,000 with no blackouts east of Ohio.

 

It's easy to say $1,500 is a value for someone that skis 25 days since lift tickets most places are pushing $75 now.  If you ski bell to bell and pay full price at the window that is 5 free days because breakeven is 20 full weekend/holiday day top price tickets.


Edited by crgildart - 4/17/16 at 10:40am
post #11 of 29
You mean east of Ohio? Seems like you're contradicting yourself.
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I looked at Mid Atlantic resort pass offerings a couple years ago.  Saw several that looked very enticing and thrifty... until I dug in to the blackout dates.  It seems that in the West and Midwest you can still find resorts that offer full access passes for under $500 that have no blackout dates.  I believe that Timberline might have GREAT deals on passes since they are perpetually in dire financial condition and always scrambling to raise capital quickly.  Other than that, I haven't found anything for under $1,000 with no blackouts west of Ohio.

It's easy to say $1,500 is a value for someone that skis 25 days since lift tickets most places are pushing $75 now.  If you ski bell to bell and pay full price at the window that is 5 free days because breakeven is 20 full weekend/holiday day top price tickets.
post #12 of 29

Sunday River is pushing a "flash sale" for the 2017-18 New England Pass that covers Sunday River, Sugarloaf, and Loon.  Presumably good for people who live in ME or NH or eastern MA, meaning Boston.  All levels are eligible for the MAX Pass upgrade.

 

Sunday River has added a Millennial  Pass (19-29) with some blackout dates that is also eligible for the MAX Pass upgrade price.

post #13 of 29

In the east your best bet would probably be 

 

MAX Pass

Peak Pass

New England Pass

EPIC (Stowe only but unlimited)

 

 

Combining Peak Pass (with blackout dates $499) & MCP might also be a great alternative to MAX if you are taking one / two trips to the west. 

post #14 of 29

Those folks who live in NYC/NJ should take another look at MAX Pass even though the prices went up a bit.  Adding the ORDA mountains and Windham for 2017-18.  Will certainly put pressure on the Peak Pass, which includes Hunter.

 

Teaser on MAX Pass FB page:

 

"Are you all ready? Here's our announcement for 17/18 passes. Passes will go on sale on Tuesday, March 14. $629 for adults with a $49 down payment option and $329 for the adult add-on pass. 

 

We are now at 44 mountains with the addition of Gore, Belleayre, Whiteface, Windham, Lutsen and Granite Peak."

post #15 of 29
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Those folks who live in NYC/NJ should take another look at MAX Pass even though the prices went up a bit.  Adding the ORDA mountains and Windham for 2017-18.  Will certainly put pressure on the Peak Pass, which includes Hunter.

 

Teaser on MAX Pass FB page:

 

"Are you all ready? Here's our announcement for 17/18 passes. Passes will go on sale on Tuesday, March 14. $629 for adults with a $49 down payment option and $329 for the adult add-on pass. 

 

We are now at 44 mountains with the addition of Gore, Belleayre, Whiteface, Windham, Lutsen and Granite Peak."

 

I think many of us in the Phi / NYC / Boston metro areas (that is over 35 million people) would really welcome a pass similar to what the folks in the Denver metro area have with the Epic Pass that includes some great mountains like Vail, Beaver Creek Breckenridge, Keystone... A pass with 6-7 good mountains and no blackout or restrictions. A pass that would cost $600-$900 and include a group of mountains such as Stratton, Bretton Woods, Okemo, Sugarbush, Mad River, Sugarloaf and White Face.

 

With all due respect to the MAX mountains, I don't think many of us are interested in skiing at Mountain Creek, Pico, Loon, Sunapee, Snowshoe, Blue Mountain...not when we have to drive anywhere from 2 to 5 hours and pay for gas, hotel, food...And none of these mountains are really places where you can ski for a long weekend without going down the same trail 100 times.

 

The way it is now, I'd rather pay $895 and ski at Stowe 90% of the time and buy day tickets the other 10% than buy the Max or Peak passes.

 

The East / New England would seem to be in need of a decent pass. Not sure if it has become more or less of a reality on the back of the Vail/Stowe news.

 

Remember, that while there are about 60 million people who ski per year, only 8 to 10 million are "active skiers" and visitations have basically been flat for the last 15 years. So, the key to growing for the resorts might not be to focus on the 8-10 million, but rather on the other 50 million skiers and get them to ski more often. Also, casual skiers and families/children are much more attracted to the drive-to mountains than fly-to destinations. 

 

And, perhaps more importantly, while skiing is typically viewed as higher-end, consumer discretionary activity, data suggests demand is more dependent on weather. The Great Recession occurred in 2009 and skier visitations fell ~5%. In 2012 when the broader US experienced an unseasonable warm winter, skier visitations fell approximately 16%.


Edited by naja - 3/10/17 at 6:44am
post #16 of 29

Perhaps MAX can create subpasses like the Epic Local, Tahoe Local. But again, the structure of MAX pass (5 days at each) is so much different than the Epic (mostly unlimited). 

 

Btw Pico is seriously underrated below imo

 

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I think many of us in the Phi / NYC / Boston metro areas (that is over 35 million people) would really welcome a pass similar to what the folks in the Denver metro area have with the Epic Pass that includes some great mountains like Vail, Beaver Creek Breckenridge, Keystone... A pass with 6-7 good mountains and no blackout or restrictions. A pass that would cost $600-$900 and include a group of mountains such as Stratton, Bretton Woods, Okemo, Sugarbush, Mad River, Sugarloaf and White Face.

 

With all due respect to the MAX mountains, I don't think many of us are interested in skiing at Mountain Creek, Pico, Loon, Sunapee, Snowshoe, Blue Mountain...not when we have to drive anywhere from 2 to 5 hours and pay for gas, hotel, food...And none of these mountains are really places where you can ski for a long weekend without going down the same trail 100 times.

 

The way it is now, I'd rather pay $895 and ski at Stowe 90% of the time and buy day tickets the other 10% than buy the Max or Peak passes.

 

The East / New England would seem to be in need of a decent pass. Not sure if it has become more or less of a reality on the back of the Vail/Stowe news.

 

Remember, that while there are about 60 million people who ski per year, only 8 to 10 million are "active skiers" and visitations have basically been flat for the last 15 years. So, the key to growing for the resorts might not be to focus on the 8-10 million, but rather on the other 50 million skiers and get them to ski more often. Also, first casual skiers and families/children the drive to mountains are much more appealing than having to fly. 

 

And, perhaps more importantly, while skiing is typically viewed as higher-end, consumer discretionary activity, data suggests demand is more dependent on weather. The Great Recession occurred in 2009 and skier visitations fell ~5%. In 2012 when the broader US experienced an unseasonable warm winter, skier visitations fell approximately 16%.

post #17 of 29
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Originally Posted by naja View Post
 

 

I think many of us in the Phi / NYC / Boston metro areas (that is over 35 million people) would really welcome a pass similar to what the folks in the Denver metro area have with the Epic Pass that includes some great mountains like Vail, Beaver Creek Breckenridge, Keystone... A pass with 6-7 good mountains and no blackout or restrictions. A pass that would cost $600-$900 and include a group of mountains such as Stratton, Bretton Woods, Okemo, Sugarbush, Mad River, Sugarloaf and White Face.

 

With all due respect to the MAX mountains, I don't think many of us are interested in skiing at Mountain Creek, Pico, Loon, Sunapee, Snowshoe, Blue Mountain...not when we have to drive anywhere from 2 to 5 hours and pay for gas, hotel, food...And none of these mountains are really places where you can ski for a long weekend without going down the same trail 100 times.

 

The way it is now, I'd rather pay $895 and ski at Stowe 90% of the time and buy day tickets the other 10% than buy the Max or Peak passes.

 

The East / New England would seem to be in need of a decent pass. Not sure if it has become more or less of a reality on the back of the Vail/Stowe news.

 

Remember, that while there are about 60 million people who ski per year, only 8 to 10 million are "active skiers" and visitations have basically been flat for the last 15 years. So, the key to growing for the resorts might not be to focus on the 8-10 million, but rather on the other 50 million skiers and get them to ski more often. Also, casual skiers and families/children are much more attracted to the drive-to mountains than fly-to destinations. 

 

And, perhaps more importantly, while skiing is typically viewed as higher-end, consumer discretionary activity, data suggests demand is more dependent on weather. The Great Recession occurred in 2009 and skier visitations fell ~5%. In 2012 when the broader US experienced an unseasonable warm winter, skier visitations fell approximately 16%.

 

The additions of Windham and Belleayre (both doable as a day trip for NYC and Philly areas) and Gore and Whiteface (I could spend a wknd skiing at either and be happy) are solid additions to the MAX Pass IMO.

 

Still in all the MAX Pass is tough to commit to with a busy family.  If there was an option to maybe purchase it cheaper with 2 days at each mountain instead of 5 than definitely.  No way we can ski enough to make the higher price of the MAX Pass worth it compared to the MCP.

 

As of now, we're still considering the MCP over the MAX because of the cheaper pass price (and kids for $1) that also gives us a more realistic opportunity to use the pass accordingly.  One wknd at Sugarbush and a week in Utah and it should pay for itself. 

 

If the MAX Pass could offer lower visits and price competitively with the MCP than it would be a lot easier to consider it.

post #18 of 29

Peak Pass

post #19 of 29
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Peak Pass

 

 

For NJ/NYC/CT/MA skiers Peak is not all that exciting/compelling and most/all of the mountains are all at least a few hours away so likely require a hotel stay.

 

Looking at just a few:

 

Mt Snow has 80-90 trails (just 50 trails currently open)

Attitash has 70-80 trails ((just 52 trails currently open)

Wildcat has 45-50 trails (just 23 trails currently open)

Crotched has 20-25 trails (just 19 trails currently open)

Jack Frost as 20 trails (just 17 trails currently open)

Hunter,...no comment

 

Regardless of the price, it just does not seem to be worth it. Other than Snow, I am not sure how much I would go to the other mountains. There is no way I am driving 120 miles to Jack Frost for 17 trails or 245 miles to Crotched with 19 open trails. And there is def no way I am driving 380 miles to Wildcat with 23 trails:o I am also not driving to 115 mikes to Hunter - even though a few million people are;) 


Edited by naja - 3/10/17 at 11:58am
post #20 of 29
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For NJ/NYC/CT/MA skiers Peak is not all that exciting/compelling and most/all of the mountains are all at least a few hours away so likely require a hotel stay.

Looking at just a few:

Mt Snow has 80-90 trails (just 50 trails currently open)
Attitash has 70-80 trails ((just 52 trails currently open)
Wildcat has 45-50 trails (just 23 trails currently open)
Crotched has 20-25 trails (just 19 trails currently open)
Jack Frost as 20 trails (just 17 trails currently open)
Hunter,...no comment

Regardless of the price, it just does not seem to be worth it. Other than Snow, I am not sure how much I would go to the other mountains. There is no way I am driving 120 miles to Jack Frost for 17 trails or 245 miles to Crotched with 19 open trails. And there is def no way I am driving 380 miles to Wildcat with 23 trails:o  I am also not driving to 115 mikes to Hunter - even though a few million people are;)  

Same for Mt. Snow. I like the place but on a weekend, no thanks.
post #21 of 29

Yup

 

The crowds keep all the skiers away.  I'm not sure how that works....;-)

post #22 of 29
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Yup

 

The crowds keep all the skiers away.  I'm not sure how that works....;-)

 

Crowds often equal bus tours, high school trips, college outings....not exactly lots of casual or hardcore skiers. 

post #23 of 29
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Crowds often equal bus tours, high school trips, college outings....not exactly lots of casual or hardcore skiers. 

 

There are plenty of hardcore skiers on the mountain on the weekends. We're just somewhere you can't find us, or in uniform...  or both. 

post #24 of 29
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There are plenty of hardcore skiers on the mountain on the weekends. We're just somewhere you can't find us, or in uniform...  or both. 

 

Too funny!

 

Reminds me of service at restaurant - sometimes you don't even notice the person waiting on you even though they show-up 20 times. Other times you wish they don't make a second appearance ;)

 

And you know that I am certainly not going to be the one finding you - unless it's on the chairlift or on solid footing :o

post #25 of 29

My 2017/2018 will look like this:

 

Peak Pass: $99 down, four equal payments of $125. Includes skiing for the remainder of this season. $599 & No blackout dates.

                   Mountains of note in the northeast: Mt. Snow, Attitash, and Wildcat

 

Stratton Value Pass: $100 Down, and balance due in September. $399, blacked out Christmas, MLK & presidents day.

                    Stratton Mountain Only

 

Max Pass Add-on to Stratton Pass. $329 (I think. release is this week). No Blackout dates. 5 days at all participating resorts

                   Mountains of note in the Northeast: Okemo, Killington, Pico, Sunday River, Sugarloaf, Loon

 

                   Plus all the other mountains out west, so if that is in the cards, even better.

                   Also, Mt. Saint Anne, Tremblant, & other southern Canadian (eastern Mountains)

 

Total cost for next years skiing:

 

$599

$399

$329

_______

$1327

 

Already two days in at Mt. Snow, and with the storm today, I'll be there Wednesday & thursday. That'll put me at a bit under $350 of value out of a $600 pass. If the snow stays, I'll get the full $600 value out of my Peak Pass by this season's end.

post #26 of 29
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My 2017/2018 will look like this:

 

Peak Pass: $99 down, four equal payments of $125. Includes skiing for the remainder of this season. $599 & No blackout dates.

                   Mountains of note in the northeast: Mt. Snow, Attitash, and Wildcat

 

Stratton Value Pass: $100 Down, and balance due in September. $399, blacked out Christmas, MLK & presidents day.

                    Stratton Mountain Only

 

Max Pass Add-on to Stratton Pass. $329 (I think. release is this week). No Blackout dates. 5 days at all participating resorts

                   Mountains of note in the Northeast: Okemo, Killington, Pico, Sunday River, Sugarloaf, Loon

 

                   Plus all the other mountains out west, so if that is in the cards, even better.

                   Also, Mt. Saint Anne, Tremblant, & other southern Canadian (eastern Mountains)

 

Total cost for next years skiing:

 

$599

$399

$329

_______

$1327

 

Already two days in at Mt. Snow, and with the storm today, I'll be there Wednesday & thursday. That'll put me at a bit under $350 of value out of a $600 pass. If the snow stays, I'll get the full $600 value out of my Peak Pass by this season's end.

 

@RedSoxFan That's a great value right there! Just the Max Pass Add-on gives you 30 days at the East Coast resorts you mentioned, plus your unlimited skiing at Wildcast, Attitash, Mount Snow, and Stratton. 

 

How bad are the crowds at Stratton on the weekends vs. nearby resorts like Okemo, Killington, Mount Snow, and Pico?

post #27 of 29

Crowds at Stratton & Mt. Snow on the weekends are always present. Sundays they tend to thin out a bit after lunch, however. Of the mountains you mentioned, Pico probably gets the least crowded, followed by Okemo and then Killington, which has it's share of fans, and gets pretty crowded, also.

 

That being said, if you avoid the Bubble lift at Mt. Snow & the gondola at Stratton, you can almost always get onto your next chair up the hill very quickly, even on weekends. That's how I do it.

post #28 of 29
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Crowds at Stratton & Mt. Snow on the weekends are always present. Sundays they tend to thin out a bit after lunch, however. Of the mountains you mentioned, Pico probably gets the least crowded, followed by Okemo and then Killington, which has it's share of fans, and gets pretty crowded, also.

 

That being said, if you avoid the Bubble lift at Mt. Snow & the gondola at Stratton, you can almost always get onto your next chair up the hill very quickly, even on weekends. That's how I do it.

 

I always found Kmart to be much, much more manageable than Okemo given its spread-out mountain.

 

The Gondola at Stratton is an absolute nightmare for me during weekends. 

post #29 of 29

@RedSoxFan and @yixiixiy thanks for the advice! Looking at the Stratton trail map, how bad are weekend crowds if you stick to Sunrise Express and Shooting Star? Or is it like many mountains where if you stick to the top of the mountain (Shooting Star, URSA Express) you'll be OK? 

 

Mostly asking because I am getting the MAX Pass for next season, and am already thinking about how to plan my weekends. I wish I could get out during the week, but I want to save my vacation days mostly for long weekends or whole weeks out West. 

 

I was at Mount Snow in January, and the weirdest thing was going on: there was a huge line for the bubble lift, but almost no line for the HSQ next to it. I don't know why (it wasn't super cold, probably mid 20s with low winds), but I was able to lap the mountain while people waited for the bubble. 

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