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post #31 of 53
Thread Starter 
Thanks again! I'm proning towards the Salomon x--drive 8.0 fs and the Fischer Motive 86.

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post #32 of 53

If you're looking at something in the 80mm waist that likes to carve and go fast, go with the Head Titan. Much better blood lines than the Salomon. And the Motive 86 is primarily an all mountain ski. The Titan is primarily a strong carver with some versatility. The Titan is the workhorse in my quiver, the one that gets the most use. And the one I would least want to be without.

post #33 of 53
Thread Starter 
Well, I must say that I'm currently in the Italian Alps and the snow is very fresh. The racetigers go okay on the morning pistes, but as the day passes, the snow becomes loose and I find it tricky to ski at a fast pace. The tips tend to bite into the snow instead of floating over it while carving.

So, a ski with a better float is a must. Also, I wouldn't mind going a bit slower than the Racetigers want.
post #34 of 53

Maybe you can rent something there and give it a try? Great way to demo, if you can find some of these models you're looking at...

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post #36 of 53
I also spend some of my skiing time in the Italian alps each season, so I know what type of conditions you face. I was very happy on my xdrive 8.8 FS:s last weekend in Arabba. Lots of snow (heavy wet) and lots of skiers tearing up the surface. Fog. Challenging conditions. My ski-buddy (ex-racer) had Atomic GS cheaters, but rented Stöckli SR 88:s (184). We took turns during four days and agreed that under prevaling conditions and our skiing style, the xrides were the winners. Faster, more stable, more precise and actually easier. To me, the SR88:s felt a little vague when you pushed it a bit (you had to ski the mountain a little aggressive, or it skied you.) From previous experience I also know that the xdrives have very good ice-grip and a do very well in a race course.
So maybe consider the 8.8 instead of 8.0 for the extra versatility?
post #37 of 53

I too have been looking for some end of year purchase and have looked at many of the skis talked about in this thread.  The Head super shapes in both the Rally and the Titan, the Kastle LX 82 MX 83, Stokli AX just to name a few.  One of the Head dealers told me that if you do not want a racing ski but want to think of SL and GS style skis, the Head Rally is the SL style and the Titan is a GS style ski.  I was leaning toward the Rally because I stay 100% on groomed trails but the dealer said that if you want to go the groomed trails the Titan will do that just fine.  He also said the 177 CM would be good for my 185 CM height and 86 Kg weight.

post #38 of 53
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Originally Posted by patrickg View Post

Thanks again! I'm proning towards the Salomon x--drive 8.0 fs and the Fischer Motive 86.


If carving like a ****** is a priority, then I would steer you away from the motive 86. I own the Motive 86 and its a great all mountain ski but not in the category of a carver.

post #39 of 53

I agree with that.  The Motive can carve trenches but I find the tip rocker isn't perfectly dialed.  It doesn't really pull the ski into the turn the way the true carver does. 

That said, in softer snow and slush it's a pretty fun ski.

post #40 of 53
I would like to suggest the Icelantic Shaman SKNY in either 173 or 184. Shaman is amazing for conditions you describe. I am your size and happy with 173s. The wide tip makes them much better in deep snow than you would expect for a 90mm ski. Ex Worldcupper US Olympian Kaylin Richardson uses them for Nastar pacesetting which is a good reference for on piste carving. Small Colorado company. Would be a real hit in Italian alps. Similar to Blossom in the Rockies. Dung
post #41 of 53

Some of the skis mentioned here:

 

Motive 86: it does have a bit of tip rocker: a good on-piste ski, but not "awesome".  More of an all-arounder.  I would say the new Pro Mtn. 86 is that ski you are looking for (a 2017 model).  

 

Kastle MX83 or MX78: these have to be at the top of your list.  Absolutely amazing skis in every way. They are the BMW M3's of the ski world: grocery and kid-shuttles on the weekday, track tools on the weekend.  Please note that a new MX84 coming out next year is even better than the current skis.  

 

Stockli Laser series: the SC is what I have been skiing as an all-mountain ski.  It is 72mm underfoot, but has the flex characteristics of not quite a carver, not quite all-mountain.  It rips like a frontside powerhouse, but will handle off-piste junk with ease.  See my review here:

 

http://www.epicski.com/t/146062/stockli-laser-sc-a-ski-everyone-who-takes-their-skiing-seriously-should-own#post_1983339

 

Stockli Laser AX: 78mm underfoot, similar flex to the SC, but with an early rise tip and tapered tip. This will be more even more "versatile" than the SC, but doesn't have the quite the same precision at the tip, feels a bit "detuned".  Still a great ski and a very good carver.  

 

Head's current supershape series: the Rally and Magnum I love for their range and frontside fun.  The upcoming 2017's aren't quite the same skis; more full-on carver and less versatile.  

 

There are undoubtedly more, but those I am very familiar with. 

post #42 of 53
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Originally Posted by The Tortoise View Post
 

I agree with that.  The Motive can carve trenches but I find the tip rocker isn't perfectly dialed.  It doesn't really pull the ski into the turn the way the true carver does. 

That said, in softer snow and slush it's a pretty fun ski.

 

The new replacement, the 86 Pro Mtn. fixes that!  It is what the current 86 should be.  The current Motive 95ti, however, is perfect for that 95mm width. 

post #43 of 53
Thread Starter 

 

Wel.. If numbers don't lie that seems like a very solid choice.

 

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Thanks all. Been in Livigno (Italy) last week and I've had 3 great days to ski. From what you guys suggest, I think I'm going to look out for the following model to be discounted in a few weeks:

 

- Head Titan 8.0

- Salomon X-Drive FS 8.0

- Kastle MX 83

 

 

Thanks !

post #44 of 53

If possible, I would suggest either a front side carving ski or a recreational GS racing ski in a length that is within 5+/- CM of your height.  I have a 2008 Volkl Racetiger GS (FIS) that has been a great all mountain ski for me.  (2008 was prior to the FIS changes to the sidecut of the GS skis, so that is why I specified recreational GS.)  I also have a K2 Amp Charger that I purchased this fall, and recently used it in Colorado during a large storm.  It handled great on all terrain and snow conditions, including deep powder.  The key to these being great all mountain skis is the length, you can not get them too short, they must be long enough to provide good fore/aft stability, and float in deep snow.       

post #45 of 53
2016 LineSir Francis Bacon.

I live on the East Coast and own a pair of 2016 SFB's. They're super light, I'm a big guy at 6' 210, I turn them right over on groomers and also float like a pontoon in soft snow. They aren't too soft, however if you're doing Mach 5 on them it's a little hard to stay straight. For a big soft snow ski I'm super surprised how they handle groomers. I could easily call them a one ski quiver. The added waist is a nice plus for added stability underfoot.

They also can be a great park ski. They're forgiving enough to hit a big kicker and land backseat and fix yourself and they're rediculously light for spins and rails.

As far as listening to people on what ski to buy, go with what you know and what you want. I've made numerous investments in skis just because I was told a ski was great and sold them after that season because they just weren't for me. Like I said, I'm gonna ski the bacons pretty much all the time here on the ice coast just because they feel comfortable to me. Who cares about the "those are powder skis" comments, in my mind they're whatever I feel like making them.
post #46 of 53

Fischer Motive 86Ti or 95....they are discontinuing the Motive series...they have a fat tail also so if that is a deterrent then maybe not best suggestion.....I have the SalomonXdrive 8.0 FS in a 182cm - great frontside ski and ice ski but like the 8.8 they are burly and require a lot of input....the Salomons can be sized down as they have only a wisp of rocker.

post #47 of 53
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Originally Posted by mogsie View Post

Don't know about the 173 cm mx83... He is 6 feet/183 cm tall so that is 10 cm shorter than him and he likes to ski fast...At the same time, he says he's pretty good but skied 168 cm skis...
In my point of view: good skier who likes speed: he should aim more near is height...
But I would not suggest the mx83 in 183... 

I agree 168 seemed short when I read the OP. I am about the same size and I ski a 184 and a 186 both skis are wider at 87 and 97 underfoot. I like speed as well and the length should work well if you are driving the ski. Personally the MX 88 at 183 seems like a perfect fit. Due to length difference it might take a couple days to get used to it. Now if you ski trees the the length will also take a little getting used to butt not long. It will make a huge difference.
post #48 of 53

The MX88 does not come in a 183. The MX88 comes in a 168, 178, and 188. The MX83 goes 173 and 183. The 88 tends to ski a little longer than advertised, the 178 is going to be plenty of ski for most people. I've never skied the MX83 in the 173, I'm a touch over 6', 210 lbs, so the 173 is not an option for me. I have skied the 183. Great ski. But for anyone under 200 lbs, that ski is going to require some commitment to ski it all day every day. You've got to remember that with the rocker craze, ski lengths have gone up, and the current trend is to go longer. But the MX line has no rocker, so there is no need to ski them any longer than you have to. Actually, the new MX84 in a 176 would be the ideal ski for the OP, but you're not going to find them at a price that you can buy last year's leftover stuff at.

post #49 of 53
Guys, this thread was 4 months old. I know it is summer and you're bored, but ....
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Compared to the eleven (or was it 13?) year zombie bump, that's nothing.
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Guys, this thread was 4 months old. I know it is summer and you're bored, but ....


As long as a new post adds relevant info, certainly fine for new members to bump old threads.  Sometimes good discussion comes after a bump.  Even if the OP is long gone, other people will read the thread.  Often for the first time.

 

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post #53 of 53
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Originally Posted by mtcyclist View Post

The MX 83 would be an excellent choice, but if the price is too high, the Head Monster 83 would be a good second choice.

Exactly, binding forward possibly with the Head. 

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