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Concerned about being at bottom of Jester DIN range?

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I have a new set of Coalition Snow powder skis coming and was planning to put our extra pair of Jesters on them until I realized that my current recommended DIN setting (6) is actually at the very bottom of the Jester's adjustment range. Is this something I should be concerned about/avoid, or has the "middle of the range" rule been debunked?? I see lots of threads about DINs at the the top of the range, but I couldn't find anything about being at the bottom.

 

What say y'all, binding gurus?

post #2 of 15

Trust but verify!

 

I would trust the Manufacturer's engineering team.  If the binding covers the range, it is very likely going to work properly when in that range.

 

But

 

Have the binding checked,  express your concern and ask if the test couldn't be done several times to check for consistency.

 

Have you not skied the Jesters yet?

post #3 of 15
DIN range is the range it should operate in. Either you believe or don't.

Still it's not a bad idea to have them check that it falls with in the range it should, even if at least just to set your mind at ease.
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If your DIN is usually 6, you probably have a fairly small foot, like 22.5 or 23.5. Market Royal Family bindings are not user friendly for people with smaller feet. I wear 25.5 boots and will never own another pair of Griffons or Jesters. When you come off in soft snow, they can be a nightmare to get into and the smaller your feet the worse the problem is. I'd recommend you get some Look SPX10 or NX11 bindings or any other Look, Atomic/Salomon or Tyrolia binding that maxs out at a DIN of 10-12. They'll weigh less and be easier to use.
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Originally Posted by mtcyclist View Post

If your DIN is usually 6, you probably have a fairly small foot, like 22.5 or 23.5. Market Royal Family bindings are not user friendly for people with smaller feet. I wear 25.5 boots and will never own another pair of Griffons or Jesters. When you come off in soft snow, they can be a nightmare to get into and the smaller your feet the worse the problem is. I'd recommend you get some Look SPX10 or NX11 bindings or any other Look, Atomic/Salomon or Tyrolia binding that maxs out at a DIN of 10-12. They'll weigh less and be easier to use.


Very good advice from someone in the industry that know the equipment.  Sometimes it is not only about the DIN setting but many other factors such as this.

 

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Originally Posted by mtcyclist View Post

If your DIN is usually 6, you probably have a fairly small foot, like 22.5 or 23.5. Market Royal Family bindings are not user friendly for people with smaller feet. I wear 25.5 boots and will never own another pair of Griffons or Jesters. When you come off in soft snow, they can be a nightmare to get into and the smaller your feet the worse the problem is. I'd recommend you get some Look SPX10 or NX11 bindings or any other Look, Atomic/Salomon or Tyrolia binding that maxs out at a DIN of 10-12. They'll weigh less and be easier to use.

Mtcyclist you are right about the markers, but you have the boot size going the wrong way. Low din is for big footed people. Higher din for small footed people.

But yes i too have a 293bsl for 25.5mondo and have issues with my griffons hanging up a bit clicking in with the heel not levering in smoothly. Way prefer the sth12s on my other skis to clixk in.
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Markers being hard to get into is not limited to small footed people or Royal series bindings. And the heels trap snow which melts all over the inside of your car.

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Originally Posted by mtcyclist View Post

If your DIN is usually 6, you probably have a fairly small foot, like 22.5 or 23.5. Market Royal Family bindings are not user friendly for people with smaller feet. I wear 25.5 boots and will never own another pair of Griffons or Jesters. When you come off in soft snow, they can be a nightmare to get into and the smaller your feet the worse the problem is. 

 

Well put.  We had to swap out the Griffon on my GF's skis for a pair of Tyrolias.  She just wasn't able to easily click into the binding - one of them in particular.  Trying to click in on-mountain after a tumble in any sort of soft snow would be a complete frustration.  She runs a DIN of 6 and a 25.5 boot.

post #9 of 15

Marshall Olson had a nice post here couple of years back in which he argued - well I thought - that we are all better served by having our own DIN's near the bottom of a binding's range. Allows for more elasticity, basically.  Convinced me to go from DIN 12 bindings(my typical setting is 7 or 8) to 14's or higher. 

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Originally Posted by mtcyclist View Post

If your DIN is usually 6, you probably have a fairly small foot, like 22.5 or 23.5. Market Royal Family bindings are not user friendly for people with smaller feet. I wear 25.5 boots and will never own another pair of Griffons or Jesters. When you come off in soft snow, they can be a nightmare to get into and the smaller your feet the worse the problem is. I'd recommend you get some Look SPX10 or NX11 bindings or any other Look, Atomic/Salomon or Tyrolia binding that maxs out at a DIN of 10-12. They'll weigh less and be easier to use.
Ahhhhh....good point, made even worse by the Vibram sole on my XT boot! Thanks!! I think I'll get fatter brakes for my Solly S12 demos, instead. :-)
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Ahhhhh....good point, made even worse by the Vibram sole on my XT boot! Thanks!! I think I'll get fatter brakes for my Solly S12 demos, instead. :-)

Are the Salomon bindings WTR bindings?  Your boot has a rocker WTR sole and is really only compatible with WTR bindings.  The boot could jam in a regular(non-WTR) binding.

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Ahhhhh....good point, made even worse by the Vibram sole on my XT boot! Thanks!! I think I'll get fatter brakes for my Solly S12 demos, instead. :-)

Are the Salomon bindings WTR bindings?  Your boot has a rocker WTR sole and is really only compatible with WTR bindings.  The boot could jam in a regular(non-WTR) binding.

this is very important. You're talking about Lange XT I assume?  Your boot is not compatible with a Jester binding, although since the Jester has a sliding AFD and adjustable toe height it MIGHT work but unless you can find a shop willing to torque test a non standard combination you won't know for sure.. Marker Lord, Salomon STH WTR, etc are what you need. If you're talking about some other boot--what make and model.

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Ummmm..pretty sure my 2012/2013 XT100LV doesn't have the WTR, and only has the alpine DIN compatible Max (Ultra?) Grip soles. No one said anything at the Midwest Reps Test Fest last year about my boots not being compatible with any binding.

post #14 of 15
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Mtcyclist you are right about the markers, but you have the boot size going the wrong way. Low din is for big footed people. Higher din for small footed people.
 

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Ummmm..pretty sure my 2012/2013 XT100LV doesn't have the WTR, and only has the alpine DIN compatible Max (Ultra?) Grip soles. No one said anything at the Midwest Reps Test Fest last year about my boots not being compatible with any binding.

You're right. There are many XT's. Stock XT100LV has DIN sole although at least for this years model WTR soles are available.

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