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post #1 of 18
Thread Starter 

How do I remove all my posts from EpicSki ?

 

Is it even possible to do it ?

 

I am not on any other "social media" but I hear and read that people can remove their posts on Instagram, Tweeter, Facebook and what else is out there. Can I do it here?

 

 

I would like to hear answer from "moderators", "site administrators" and whatever corporate titles before "private citizens" chime in.

post #2 of 18
It's not possible because it'll ruin the whole flow of threads. It's been asked in the past. Heck, even the trash of your private messages is never deleted.
post #3 of 18
And you can't even delete all your Facebook postings. The ones I've tried to delete from 2008 and earlier seem to be permanent. And I'm pretty sure the stuff you think is deleted there is just "hidden".
post #4 of 18
Thread Starter 

I do not like that "answer" or explanation ...

 

I did witness some posters "edit" their posts that fundamentally alter "flow of threads" . How is simply "deleting" my own post any different?

post #5 of 18
I believe some people have time limits on editing. Maybe you are one of them. The edit icon is the little pencil.
post #6 of 18
Thread Starter 

"some people" ?

 

 

Can you clarify ?

post #7 of 18
There are "super users" and other "officials" who can do things that others can't.

Discussion on this topic in the past: http://www.epicski.com/t/96375/cant-delete-posts/0_10

More discussion: http://www.epicski.com/t/115404/let-poster-delete-posting/0_10
post #8 of 18
Thread Starter 

"Super Users" often could be "Super Abusers". Not in the case of EpicSki since I am not aware of any "super users".

 

But the main reason for my question is that some threads are being locked, altered and "moderated"  and that action fundamentally changed the flow of the discussion (or even ended valuable discussion). I agree, abusive language, personal threats and are not tolerated. Red flag the "offender"!  But, locking the whole thread ?

 

And while I bought into "community" aspect of EpicSki, it became obvious that "community"  is heavily and arbitrarily moderated by "super users" and any discussion that is even slightly critical of corporate overlords is "moderated" and ultimately shut down.

 

Fine with me, EpicSki is private entity and principles of "free speech" might not apply here. ToA shields that. But same ToA apparently do not apply to everybody equally, there appears to be different ToA for "super users" and the rest of us. If I would've known this earlier ...

post #9 of 18

goran, just leave then, your posts will remain.  It's life.  Once a bell is rung it can't be unrung.

 

Can you take back things you've said to friends in the past and have them forget you said them?

post #10 of 18

Goranmilos,

 

I'm the head moderator. We have a guideline that the least moderation is the best moderation. The almost best we can do is have some people think we over moderate and some people think that we under moderate. At that point we will strive to get better. The super users primarily help the moderation staff by temporarily moderating posts (which submits them for moderator review). Giving them extra privileges (e.g. longer time to edit their own posts) is the only compensation (besides our thanks) that they get. The moderation team is all volunteer, except for me. My pay is about minimum wage according to my contract and under $2/hr according to the time I really spend. My observation is that the crap to thanks ratio for moderators is about 10 to 1. Normal moderation tasks are hard enough to do "right". We already make enough mistakes doing that. In theory it is possible to eliminate all posts someone has made. In practice, as a policy, it would require more work than we have available resources. That's why, as a policy, we don't offer this service. 

 

As Sib has stated, we have time limits on editing and deleting your own posts. This is because we've had people abuse the privilege as a form of trolling. We could have chosen to simply ban people who abuse the privilege, but catching such acts and proving them is labor intensive. We're damned if we do and damned if we don't. Everyone (except new people with less than x posts?) can edit and delete their own posts for a short period of time (I'm not sure of the exact limit - my guess is about 15 min to an hour). Super users and moderators have different limits because we can be trusted and this approach minimizes moderation effort.

 

With respect to locking threads, we don't like to do it (least moderation is best moderation). In general we won't do it unless a thread has gone on for many pages, we've given a chance for cooler heads to prevail and there are several different posters who are "in the fray". It's a shame that a few rotten apples spoil it for everyone else, but if we have to ban everyone who gets a little bad now and then, then I'll start with banning myself. We have a limited number of tools available to help keep the site spam free, relatively civil and even friendly. We try to be flexible in choosing the right approach for each unique situation. That opens us up to accusations of having double standards, but it's a choice we've made to try to minimize the moderation that we do. That's not because we're cheap and trying to save money. It's because we believe this approach is best for the community. If anyone takes exception to specific instances of moderation, they can appeal the action to Tyler (the site manager). These are not things I've made up. These practices have been handed down from the folks who started the site via several generations of moderators. 

 

Although this site is currently owned by a corporate overlord (Vail), our marching orders from day 1 have been to continue on with no editorial changes. Vail gets no different treatment here than Aspen, Stockli, Under Armour or any other ski industry corporation. Yes we try to be friends with the industry. We're in this to create win win scenarios for everyone we can. Anyone can say a specific resort "sucks" here on Epic. They are entitled to their opinion. But if someone backs up that opinion with facts that are grossly in error, they are likely to get their post moderated regardless of who they are disparaging and especially so if we determine there was malice aforethought. These usually aren't easy calls to make and we don't make them lightly.

 

I realize none of this explanation will make your experience here any better, You've got a right to walk away and we're sorry we could not provide a better experience for you. Most people find that they get more than what they've paid for. There are limits to free speech. You can get arrested for yelling FIRE in a crowded theater. EpicSki was started as an attempt to create an online equivalent of the apres-ski bar. Every bar has an atmosphere they try to create and maintain that won't necessarily appeal to everyone and is necessarily more restrictive than "free speech".

 

At this point I can only bid you adieu and wish good snow for you.

post #11 of 18

You'll be 'missed' by 'many'

post #12 of 18

Just to clarify and add a bit to what Rusty said and give the "official" answer. No we do not allow users to delete their posts. We've had a long standing policy about this for as long as I've been around. @sibhusky mentioned a case above where a user started going back and editing all their old posts to be blank and as a result Passholder users now have a 120 minute edit window and normal users a 15 minute window. Brand new users may not have the ability to edit a post for their first bit of being a member. Removing posts en masse results in threads losing their usefulness as chunks of the dialogue disappear; that is unfair to all the other users that participated in the discussion and built off or replied to the posts that are being requested to be deleted. 

 

I also want to be clear that there is absolutely zero protection either of sponsors or the owners (Mountain News/Vail) of this site. Search the phrase "Vail Sucks" we're on the first page of results. We've actually let posts go that we probably would've culled if it was about a non-Vail property specifically to avoid an aura of favoritism towards the owners. 

 

Another note to clarify a bit on what Rusty said. New European privacy laws are still a bit vague about right to be forgotten rights and how they pertain to us; that said we are not going to prevent European users from joining. Even if it is the case that we have to remove their posts by law, we do have the ability to do it. However when the user has more than 100 posts, things get a bit complicated and requires more resource utilization that we could allow for just complying with users wanting to do the digital equivalent of Sherman's march through Georgia. 

 

To address the point about who can hide posts and all that. We have a group of Super-Flaggers who are long-time members who can temporarily hide a post that is SPAM or absolutely blatant beyond a doubt inappropriate (porn, profanity filled rants, etc.). Our moderators are the only ones who have the ability to lock a thread. If it is locked "temporarily" it is usually at the discretion of an individual moderator to prevent something from spiraling out of control while the rest of the team deliberates. If the thread stays locked it is because the moderation team--not an individual user--has concurred with the decision. I try to stay out of moderation except in the most blatant cases to serve as an appeal board. If at any point someone feels the moderation team is favoring someone or something or they've not been given a fair shake they're free to reach out to me to state their case (and FWIW after a discussion with people sometimes I do actually grant their appeals, so it's not just a formality).

post #13 of 18

Is this serious?  Some forum person gets butt hurt because moderators lock a thread where two other forum members are bickering like children over something that NO ONE has any control over..  Park Ciy's too crowded... No it isn't... You're dumb about Utah.. No you're dumb about Utah... bla bla bla..  Good grief LOL!

post #14 of 18
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Originally Posted by SkiMangoJazz View Post
 

goran, just leave then, your posts will remain.  It's life.  Once a bell is rung it can't be unrung.

 

Can you take back things you've said to friends in the past and have them forget you said them?

 

OTOH complete strangers can't take things you've said to friends in the past and misuse them out of context 10 years later.

post #15 of 18
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Originally Posted by crgildart View Post
 

Is this serious?  Some forum person gets butt hurt because moderators lock a thread where two other forum members are bickering like children over something that NO ONE has any control over..  Park Ciy's too crowded... No it isn't... You're dumb about Utah.. No you're dumb about Utah... bla bla bla..  Good grief LOL!


Do we really have to use the expression "butt hurt?"  It's kind of gross!

post #16 of 18
IT'S THE INTERNET!!!!

Don't say things you don't want to be public.
post #17 of 18

I once told a girlfriend the same thing.  "I want to delete everything I've told you, so you don't tell anyone else."

 

 

I asked her "why are you breaking up with me?"

She said "because you don't understand me."

I asked her "what do you mean?"

post #18 of 18
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Originally Posted by SkiMangoJazz View Post

I once told a girlfriend the same thing.  "I want to delete everything I've told you, so you don't tell anyone else."


I asked her "why are you breaking up with me?"
She said "because you don't understand me."
I asked her "what do you mean?"

I still feel the same way tongue.gif
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