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post #31 of 48

The first year Silverado at Squaw was open people didn't know what to expect and the only way to see it from the lift is to ski it first. First time I skied it was after a five foot dump. Most of the lines drop down to a cat track that is followed around a sidehill to the lift. If you stay high on the side hill instead of following the groomed cat track and take it around the corner you can get a couple more powder turns before the lift. That day, due to the depth of the snow, the high track around the hill was a deep rut--once you were in it you were not getting out. Initially people were able to turn down to the lift at the end of the track, but as the snow got more and more packed the rut got faster and faster and the skiers went farther and farther before they could turn. Before too long the track had reached a 10 ft vertical cliff--people would come flying around the sidehill unaware of the drop, which they couldn't see until the last second, and go flying off and crashing. It made for delightful watching going up the lift.

post #32 of 48

Backcountry skiing on Levitt Peak, near Sonora Pass. You access the peak from the high point of the road, then ski out via a ravine to a lower spot on the road to get several thousand feet of vertical. One side of the ravine is a mellow traverse for about half a mile, the other side develops into a cliff band. I was with a fairly large group, and most of us made the crossover to the "right" side of the ravine. We all watched, shouting at him to turn around, as one not very strong skier got suckered by a track, then went beyond where the track stopped, then got into some really rocky and dicey terrain before he finally figured it out and stopped. By that point we were all gasping and looking away, fully expecting him to crash and get badly injured. It took him a good hour to post hole back up the ravine to a spot where he could ski across.

post #33 of 48

some sucker tracks i left at Brighton, was lucky enough to bunny hop across this small creek ( just barely)

post #34 of 48
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Does anyone have any stories about following sucker tracks.  Those are the ones which get us into bad situations They are either created by someone previous who ended up in a bad spot or someone who was ski base jumping.

 

 

I'm not sure that any resorts allow actual base jumping, the kind with parachutes??   As for kids hucking cliffs which is much more common, most do it with a spotter, filming their potential disaster.  That said, as long as you don't land on your head you're just as likely to survive the fall as the person that went before you..  The big lesson here beyond don't venture past what you can see on the map or know without someone else that knows it better than you...  Second lesson, don't ski towards anything blind faster than you can stop if there is an OH SPIT obstacle or person just out of view.  If you're not riding/skiing faster than your ability to shut it down you will at least be able to stop and hike back up the way you came rather than going over/in to the disaster.

post #35 of 48
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Originally Posted by disasterskier View Post
 

Does anyone have any stories about following sucker tracks.  Those are the ones which get us into bad situations They are either created by someone previous who ended up in a bad spot or someone who was ski base jumping.

 

 

I'm not sure that any resorts allow actual base jumping, the kind with parachutes??   

NOT TRUE!!!!!! :) Squaw had JT Holmes BASE jump off the top of a tram cabin for some promotion or other. Admittedly it would be unusual to find tracks leading to the top of the tram cabin, so Squaw newbies can rest easy on that score.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrqPve33G3w

 

A few years back Alpine Meadows was letting some guys parasail from the top of Sherwood South Face--a fairly gentle wide open slope.

post #36 of 48

A few years back I was skiing Loveland with my ski club.  First time there for me.  A club member and I were out exploring when he pointed at a couple of tracks heading down what looked to be a nice powder field.  He was ahead and just as I was about to drop in, I spied  some boot pack coming back up about a 50 feet or so ahead.  I continue my traverse yelling to my buddy, but it was too late and he discovered why there was a boot pack out...a big cliff. Fortunately for me, I kept my traverse high enough and was able to continue traversing out of that area, but I did have to wait a good 15-20 minutes for my buddy to boot pack it out.

 

I love exploring but really try to keep a same head especially the first time I ski an area.

 

Rick G

post #37 of 48
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some sucker tracks i left at Brighton, was lucky enough to bunny hop across this small creek ( just barely)


Awesome and breathtaking

post #38 of 48
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Originally Posted by rickg View Post
 

A few years back I was skiing Loveland with my ski club.  First time there for me.  A club member and I were out exploring when he pointed at a couple of tracks heading down what looked to be a nice powder field.  He was ahead and just as I was about to drop in, I spied  some boot pack coming back up about a 50 feet or so ahead.  I continue my traverse yelling to my buddy, but it was too late and he discovered why there was a boot pack out...a big cliff. Fortunately for me, I kept my traverse high enough and was able to continue traversing out of that area, but I did have to wait a good 15-20 minutes for my buddy to boot pack it out.

 

I love exploring but really try to keep a same head especially the first time I ski an area.

 

Rick G


Tks Rick

post #39 of 48
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Originally Posted by oldgoat View Post
 

NOT TRUE!!!!!! :) Squaw had JT Holmes BASE jump off the top of a tram cabin for some promotion or other. Admittedly it would be unusual to find tracks leading to the top of the tram cabin, so Squaw newbies can rest easy on that score.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrqPve33G3w

 

A few years back Alpine Meadows was letting some guys parasail from the top of Sherwood South Face--a fairly gentle wide open slope.


Tks Old Goat

post #40 of 48
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by crgildart View Post
 

 

 

I'm not sure that any resorts allow actual base jumping, the kind with parachutes??   As for kids hucking cliffs which is much more common, most do it with a spotter, filming their potential disaster.  That said, as long as you don't land on your head you're just as likely to survive the fall as the person that went before you..  The big lesson here beyond don't venture past what you can see on the map or know without someone else that knows it better than you...  Second lesson, don't ski towards anything blind faster than you can stop if there is an OH SPIT obstacle or person just out of view.  If you're not riding/skiing faster than your ability to shut it down you will at least be able to stop and hike back up the way you came rather than going over/in to the disaster.

I was skiing last week on the front country and saw unmarked cliffs by the lift.  I had an instructor private lessons the whole time to avoid those and get better.

post #41 of 48
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Originally Posted by imatlas View Post
 

Backcountry skiing on Levitt Peak, near Sonora Pass. You access the peak from the high point of the road, then ski out via a ravine to a lower spot on the road to get several thousand feet of vertical. One side of the ravine is a mellow traverse for about half a mile, the other side develops into a cliff band. I was with a fairly large group, and most of us made the crossover to the "right" side of the ravine. We all watched, shouting at him to turn around, as one not very strong skier got suckered by a track, then went beyond where the track stopped, then got into some really rocky and dicey terrain before he finally figured it out and stopped. By that point we were all gasping and looking away, fully expecting him to crash and get badly injured. It took him a good hour to post hole back up the ravine to a spot where he could ski across.


I want to curse on this one but am not allowed to-Tks

post #42 of 48
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Originally Posted by oldgoat View Post
 

The first year Silverado at Squaw was open people didn't know what to expect and the only way to see it from the lift is to ski it first. First time I skied it was after a five foot dump. Most of the lines drop down to a cat track that is followed around a sidehill to the lift. If you stay high on the side hill instead of following the groomed cat track and take it around the corner you can get a couple more powder turns before the lift. That day, due to the depth of the snow, the high track around the hill was a deep rut--once you were in it you were not getting out. Initially people were able to turn down to the lift at the end of the track, but as the snow got more and more packed the rut got faster and faster and the skiers went farther and farther before they could turn. Before too long the track had reached a 10 ft vertical cliff--people would come flying around the sidehill unaware of the drop, which they couldn't see until the last second, and go flying off and crashing. It made for delightful watching going up the lift.


Tks Old Goat

post #43 of 48

Here is a tale of "Why hasn't anyone skied this yet?"

 

I was at Alta with a Buddy exploring around searching for untracked to ski.  While on a cat track we spot a nice open powder field that opened up through the trees lining the cat track.  We could see where it ended up, between 2 lifts that were maybe 2-300 yards apart. We looked at each other, we both nodded yes, and then we dropped in for a really nice 300-400 vert of Utah's finest.  And then we discovered what we skied into.  We were at the bottom of a small valley, either direction to the lifts was a slight uphill.  Maybe only 10 feet of elevation, but coupled with the knee deep un skied pow, pushing our way out was quite a chore,  I think it took us about 30-40 minutes, taking turns trailblazing the un tracked to get to the slope and eventually the chair.

 

So this time, it was us leaving the "Sucker Tracks", rather than following someone else's.

 

Rick G

post #44 of 48
But now the "suckers" following the tracks have (had) a trail-broken path back to the lift...wonder if they were watching and waiting at the top?! smile.gif
post #45 of 48
Funny...I almost followed a few tracks into that ditch this past Jan.
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Leading out of Thaynes Canyon, below Jupiter is a creek bed we used to ski.  Kind of dangerous.  It was unofficially called Doobie Hollow.  Friend of mine broke his leg there.
post #46 of 48
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A few years back I was skiing Loveland with my ski club.  First time there for me.  A club member and I were out exploring when he pointed at a couple of tracks heading down what looked to be a nice powder field.  He was ahead and just as I was about to drop in, I spied  some boot pack coming back up about a 50 feet or so ahead.  I continue my traverse yelling to my buddy, but it was too late and he discovered why there was a boot pack out...a big cliff. Fortunately for me, I kept my traverse high enough and was able to continue traversing out of that area, but I did have to wait a good 15-20 minutes for my buddy to boot pack it out.

 

I love exploring but really try to keep a same head especially the first time I ski an area.

 

Rick G


Tks Rick

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But now the "suckers" following the tracks have (had) a trail-broken path back to the lift...wonder if they were watching and waiting at the top?! smile.gif


I know but then someone said if they had only anticipated two gates ahead.  Well I never did and now half my life is behind half the gates.

post #47 of 48
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Tks Rick


I know but then someone said if they had only anticipated two gates ahead.  Well I never did and now half my life is behind half the gates.


And I mean that about the women I have loved-

post #48 of 48

At Crested Butte, the sign leading to the hike out to Phoenix/Spellbound/ThirdBowl often says, "If you don't know where you're going, don't go here!"

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