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East Coast Racer (Think "Humid" conditions) needs "pro tips" on keeping rust off the edges of skis

post #1 of 23
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I am diligent about wiping down my skis after a race BEFORE I put them in the car, cargo  carrier, etc.
We just finished a race where the conditions were 100% humidity (yes, RAINING).

Even so, I did wipe down the skis as best as I could and headed the 3 hours home.

Once home, the FIRST thing I did was to pull the skis down out of the carrier to once again wipe them down before putting them up on the wall of the garage or so I thought.  Instead, I am greeted by rust on the edges of EVERY pair of skis we had taken (4 pairs this time) so... I just spent the last HOUR using a gummy stone to remove the rust and THEN I got to put them on the wall.  Two questions:

 

1)  What can I do to prevent this in the future?  Please don't say "I just wipe mine down 'cause that ain't cutting it".

2)  Are there any tips of tricks I can use between races to ENSURE that the gummy stone work I literally JUST DID does not need to be repeated in 2 weeks when we have our next race?  I have heard of some putting WD-40 on a rag and wiping down the edges but I have also heard others say that will degrade the wax that is in the bases now.

 

Signed

     Tired in North Carolina.

post #2 of 23

So rub the edges with wax.

 

Not hard to do.  Sno-Seal works great!

post #3 of 23
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Originally Posted by Cgrandy View Post
 

So rub the edges with wax.

 

Not hard to do.  Sno-Seal works great!

 

That doesn't quite work in this situation. He is just looking for something to keep the rust off a few hours until he gets home where he can properly dry the skis.

 

The sure-fire way I've managed to reduce my rust from the way home is to lay the bases generally facing up en route to home. This way the water will collected on the top sheet and evaporate or drip right off. That way the water won't stick on the edges.

 

For me, I have towels bunched up with the purpose of laying the skis over them (top-sheet down). Then I have a light bungie cord over a thin rubber strip top of the skis to keep them in place. 

 

OR

 

Spend a little extra time at the lodge. During that time, separate the skis with the bases facing out. Drink a cup of coffee. Shake, wipe down, go to your car, shake and wipe again. Throw em in the back.

 

The biggest place I get any rust is on the tails. One or two quick passes with the gummy and they are gone. (Yes, these days were after long drives too)

post #4 of 23
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Originally Posted by Cgrandy View Post
 

So rub the edges with wax.

 

Not hard to do.  Sno-Seal works great!

Are you saying that I can simply apply sno-seal prior to tossing the skis into the cargo carrier and that alone will keep the rust from forming on the skis during the 2-3 hour ride home?  If so, then perhaps any liquid car wax could work in a similar fashion, right?

 

Does sno-seal come "off" simply by wiping them down 2 weeks later when I have my next race or is more needed like 5 second gummy stone and/or sandpaper at that later point to get back to bare metal?

post #5 of 23
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Originally Posted by Snuckerpooks View Post
 

 

That doesn't quite work in this situation. He is just looking for something to keep the rust off a few hours until he gets home where he can properly dry the skis.

 

The sure-fire way I've managed to reduce my rust from the way home is to lay the bases generally facing up en route to home. This way the water will collected on the top sheet and evaporate or drip right off. That way the water won't stick on the edges.

 

For me, I have towels bunched up with the purpose of laying the skis over them (top-sheet down). Then I have a light bungie cord over a thin rubber strip top of the skis to keep them in place. 

 

OR

 

Spend a little extra time at the lodge. During that time, separate the skis with the bases facing out. Drink a cup of coffee. Shake, wipe down, go to your car, shake and wipe again. Throw em in the back.

 

The biggest place I get any rust is on the tails. One or two quick passes with the gummy and they are gone. (Yes, these days were after long drives too)

Thanks.  This is similar to my current process.  I have two towels that I carry for use after skiing.  The first is for "wet" work (bindings) & the second one is to dry off the bases.  I then I use the rubber straps that help separate the bases for transit. If I can simply toss a bottle of liquid wax into car for use after skiing and it comes of easily, then maybe I'll go that route as well.

 

Note: After reviewing a few other sites, this may be being caused by my edge "tuning" work.  I typically don't take the additional time to "smooth" the edges with finer and finer stones (e.g. red diamond then blue diamond on both base and sides).  Some say that not doing so leaves small "pits" that the water can get into that causes an earlier rust potential.

post #6 of 23
I am less picky and don't have problems, are you getting road salt mist into your carrier, then you have issues.

Secondly consider a anti rust vapor system, there are a few that emit a rust preventative vapor. Search Brownells (yes firearm related but it stops the rust).
post #7 of 23

Two words, ski box.

 

 

Like Thule makes.

 

I really wouldn't worry to much about a little light rust. I grabbed my Gotama's Saturday night for the first time this year. When I flipped them over on the and ski vises to remove the wax I put them away with last April, I noticed  a couple small spots of rust. I scraped them, didn't bother to brush them. Skied them all day Sunday, they were great.

 

Oh yes, when I stopped skiing for lunch about 11:30 after spending 4 hours on them. The rust was all gone. Imagine that. It didn't effect them at all.

post #8 of 23

Could be more susceptible when you don't polish your edges after tuning....if you look at the edge with a magnifying glass you'll see the metal is pretty rough if you don't diamond them after file work.

 

Can't say I've had your problem, I do the same where I really wipe my skis down before putting them up in the Thule, haven't had any issues with rust on edges.  One time where the strap was contacting the edge during a 6hour drive home in unseasonably warm temps (but it was so minor it was wiped off with a rag when I got home).  Typically I'm driving in freezing conditions so I don't even get any melting up in the Thule on the way home.  

 

If it's down your whole edge I'd suspect the metal is not polished enough. 

post #9 of 23
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Originally Posted by ndabunka View Post

Are you saying that I can simply apply sno-seal prior to tossing the skis into the cargo carrier and that alone will keep the rust from forming on the skis during the 2-3 hour ride home?  If so, then perhaps any liquid car wax could work in a similar fashion, right?

Does sno-seal come "off" simply by wiping them down 2 weeks later when I have my next race or is more needed like 5 second gummy stone and/or sandpaper at that later point to get back to bare metal?

Car wax may rub off too easily. Try a small block of warm temp ski wax, rub it down the edge after drying with paper towel.
post #10 of 23
Agreed with both these tips from above:

  • keep them out of the bag, separated, bases up while driving home in your heated car
  • make sure you hone the edges when tuning using progressively finer stones and some kind of finishing stone (I use an Arkansas stone)
I also find my slalom and gs skis require prompt attention to avoid rusting. Blander lower performance skis withstood rusting for longer.
post #11 of 23

I'd ask Jacques about this.....

Probably you need a base coat of edge prep wax followed with something like CH10.

Of course, corking it on is much better than roto brushing.

This subject could be easily covered in a 30 minute video.

:popcorn

post #12 of 23
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Originally Posted by oldschoolskier View Post

I am less picky and don't have problems, are you getting road salt mist into your carrier, then you have issues.

Secondly consider a anti rust vapor system, there are a few that emit a rust preventative vapor. Search Brownells (yes firearm related but it stops the rust).

It's a brand new high end $$$ carrier so not certain why you would jump to such an assumption.

A vapor system for a two hour ride home?  You MUST have posted this when you were drinking...LOL

post #13 of 23
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Originally Posted by Max Capacity View Post
 

Two words, ski box.

 

 

Like Thule makes.

 

I really wouldn't worry to much about a little light rust. I grabbed my Gotama's Saturday night for the first time this year. When I flipped them over on the and ski vises to remove the wax I put them away with last April, I noticed  a couple small spots of rust. I scraped them, didn't bother to brush them. Skied them all day Sunday, they were great.

 

Oh yes, when I stopped skiing for lunch about 11:30 after spending 4 hours on them. The rust was all gone. Imagine that. It didn't effect them at all.

My cargo box is the Yakima SkyBox LoPro.  I am not talking about "first time" all year or even any related "long term" storage here.

I am talking "done skiing after TWO days".  I put them in the brand new SkyBox LoPro for the ride home.  Get home and notice rust on the edges that was not there at the beginning of the last day of skiing (yes, I checked & they were keep inside the night before so logical no rust prior to race day).  Spend two hours gummy stoning 4 pairs of skiis... ARGH!

post #14 of 23
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Originally Posted by hbear View Post
 

Could be more susceptible when you don't polish your edges after tuning....if you look at the edge with a magnifying glass you'll see the metal is pretty rough if you don't diamond them after file work.

 

Can't say I've had your problem, I do the same where I really wipe my skis down before putting them up in the Thule, haven't had any issues with rust on edges.  One time where the strap was contacting the edge during a 6hour drive home in unseasonably warm temps (but it was so minor it was wiped off with a rag when I got home).  Typically I'm driving in freezing conditions so I don't even get any melting up in the Thule on the way home.  

 

If it's down your whole edge I'd suspect the metal is not polished enough. 

The rust was "spotty" so definitely NOT down the entire edge but it was enough that each ski took me a while to clean them up.  Enough for me to post this inquiry here after spending an hour on four pairs (~5-10 minutes/ski). The temps also likely have a LOT to do with it as it was in the high 40's and raining when we got off the hill.  Temps were in the mid 60's when we got home.  Like I stated in my original post, 100% humidity and 60 degree temps = no good for edges.  I will try the diamond stone polishing


Edited by ndabunka - 2/26/16 at 6:36pm
post #15 of 23
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Originally Posted by Metaphor_ View Post

Agreed with both these tips from above:
 
  • keep them out of the bag, separated, bases up while driving home in your heated car
  • make sure you hone the edges when tuning using progressively finer stones and some kind of finishing stone (I use an Arkansas stone)
I also find my slalom and gs skis require prompt attention to avoid rusting. Blander lower performance skis withstood rusting for longer.

Yep, these are very $$$ SL & GS skis so that may have something to do with it

I use a Thule Cargo carrier now but am considering putting some towels up there and perhaps something that absorbs moisture (like silca)


Edited by ndabunka - 2/26/16 at 6:35pm
post #16 of 23
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Originally Posted by dakine View Post
 

I'd ask Jacques about this.....

Probably you need a base coat of edge prep wax followed with something like CH10.

Of course, corking it on is much better than roto brushing.

This subject could be easily covered in a 30 minute video.

:popcorn

LOL

The edges rusting has NOTHING to do with the base much less ANY debate between corking or roto (have done both when tuning).

Obviously, none of this happens after tuning or prior to the race.  This is only post race on ride home.

post #17 of 23
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Originally Posted by jzmtl View Post


Car wax may rub off too easily. Try a small block of warm temp ski wax, rub it down the edge after drying with paper towel.

What's it going to rub against?

post #18 of 23

Don't keep them in the garage.. not immediately anyway..

 

Water will condense on the edges when the ski is colder than the surrounding humid air.. i'm guessing the mountain is significantly colder than where you live.. Bring the skis inside and put them over a heating vent.. warm them up.. the water won't condense.. you can dry them off and they'll stay dry.. and then you can put them back into the garage once they're warm and dry and water won't condense on them.

 

It's a condensation issue.. no amount of waxing or polishing or whatever will make a difference..  wd40 may help or any other anti-condensate but who knows about the wax interaction.... short of getting them warm as soon as you get off the hill (put the skis in the car for the ride home?) you're gonna be SOL..

post #19 of 23
Thread Starter 

so.. nobody here has EVER heard of spraying WD40 on a rag and running it down the steel edges to keep rust from occuring (WD40 is a hydrophobic).

post #20 of 23
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Originally Posted by WheatKing View Post
 

Don't keep them in the garage.. not immediately anyway..

 

Water will condense on the edges when the ski is colder than the surrounding humid air.. i'm guessing the mountain is significantly colder than where you live.. Bring the skis inside and put them over a heating vent.. warm them up.. the water won't condense.. you can dry them off and they'll stay dry.. and then you can put them back into the garage once they're warm and dry and water won't condense on them.

 

It's a condensation issue.. no amount of waxing or polishing or whatever will make a difference..  wd40 may help or any other anti-condensate but who knows about the wax interaction.... short of getting them warm as soon as you get off the hill (put the skis in the car for the ride home?) you're gonna be SOL..

I am starting to feel like this is a republican debate!  LOL

 

What does a ride home have to do with storage in a garage?  My ENTIRE original post was PRIOR to putting ANYTHING in the garage.

I don't have ANY issues with long term storage so.... No need to talk about wax until next season.  No need to infer condensation is occurring in a garage, etc

post #21 of 23
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Originally Posted by ndabunka View Post
 

I am starting to feel like this is a republican debate!  LOL

 

What does a ride home have to do with storage in a garage?  My ENTIRE original post was PRIOR to putting ANYTHING in the garage.

I don't have ANY issues with long term storage so.... No need to talk about wax until next season.  No need to infer condensation is occurring in a garage, etc


Condensation is occurring on your way home... and possibly in your garage..  good on you for lightening up your post as well btw.... wd40.. or automotive ignition wire spray.. no idea what it will do to your waxing or your bases. Your skis coming off the hill are probably around the temperature of the snow.. unless you warm them up above the "dew point" even if you wipe them down with a hydrophobic film of some sort.. you'll have condensation issues which is causing your rust issues.

post #22 of 23
Oh grasshopper you have so much to learn. Go to Brownells, lubrication page 2......should solve all your problems in one easy wipe.
post #23 of 23

I guess by now you have learned, do not leave the skis in the box for a number of day's. When you get home, take them out, or at least open the box, or what your could now call your "humidity chamber".

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