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Proper race start

post #1 of 18
Thread Starter 

I am going to my first ski race this weekend at Granite Peak WI,

so far I have only some experience with NASTAR. I guess handicaps I am getting are ok for someone with my skiing experience, 

but the start is pretty slow.

so could someone explain how do you perform a proper race start?

post #2 of 18


You are probably best served looking for a video on youtube. I'm sure there are several and it will serve you better than words. Understand that the clock starts as soon as you touch the wand, so back up a foot or so from the wand, put your poles on the downhill side of the wand, and with one big motion use you pole to pull you onto the course. Yes, you can get a lot more complicated than that, but really as long as you don't touch the wand before you are ready, or hold it open with a leg, you'll be fine. 

post #3 of 18
Thread Starter 

ok, looks like I found a nice video

 

 

how much time you can loose typically with a bad start, what do you think?

post #4 of 18


A bad start is a start where you hit the wand early or hold it open with your leg, and in that case 1-3 seconds easily. If you mean skipping the whole kick start thing, that will only net you a couple tenths max. See if you can find some video with Bode Miller starts. He just pushed off, figuring that the standard kick start uses more energy than it gains you speed, and the risk of hitting the wand early is higher. Granted, most of the rest of the racing world disagrees. Just focus on a good, clean start. You'll be fine.

post #5 of 18

Anything you do is ok, just try to avoid copying Lizeroux :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWvaGth-kZo

post #6 of 18
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Originally Posted by primoz View Post
 

Anything you do is ok, just try to avoid copying Lizeroux :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWvaGth-kZo


Wow, that's better than anything on slalomtokyodrift.

post #7 of 18

Back in high school, a friend had his DINs set too low, probably as low as they go, and jumped out of his bindings in his start. He face planted and got just far enough to trip the wand. Funniest start ever.

post #8 of 18
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Originally Posted by mjp5 View Post

Back in high school, a friend had his DINs set too low, probably as low as they go, and jumped out of his bindings in his start. He face planted and got just far enough to trip the wand. Funniest start ever.
this actually happened with me today, twice, when I was practicing. DIN is set to 7.5 and I am 185 cm, 165 lbs.
wandering why, maybe 7.5 is too low for me
post #9 of 18
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Originally Posted by skiShvydko View Post

this actually happened with me today, twice, when I was practicing. DIN is set to 7.5 and I am 185 cm, 165 lbs.
wandering why, maybe 7.5 is too low for me

Check the forward tension in your binding, and yes, if you're DIN setting is set for II and you're generating III and III+ forces, you're not going to have a good time.
post #10 of 18
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ok, looks like I found a nice video




how much time you can loose typically with a bad start, what do you think?

Bad start, you might go have lunch as you won't be in the game.
post #11 of 18

How old are you? You say this is your first race, I myself am looking into starting, but I feel 16 is too old.

post #12 of 18
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Originally Posted by coasterblu View Post
 

How old are you? You say this is your first race, I myself am looking into starting, but I feel 16 is too old.

16 is too old? well, I am 26 :) 

maybe if you hope to win WC someday then 16 is too old, but you'll never know if you dont try it)))

I like skiing and want to be competitive at certain level and I think 16, 26, 36 or even 56 is not too old for this

I am reletively new to skiing, but I am peretty sure that more epirienced guys here have similar opinion 

post #13 of 18

That makes me feel better :) What are you doing to start? What are you joining?

post #14 of 18

A good goal when starting is to get your chest as far ahead of your feet as possible so you are already moving well down the hill before the timer starts, that and a solid push will help a lot. 

post #15 of 18
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Originally Posted by coasterblu View Post
 

How old are you? You say this is your first race, I myself am looking into starting, but I feel 16 is too old.


I started at 49, so it's certainly not too late for you.  It might be too late for me build up enough skill to make the olympics.  :D

 

Depending on where you are, there could be some club or prep school programs.  Yes, a little late for top level racing but I wouldn't say you can't work your way into something.  NASTAR is a great way to get your feet wet.  Watch for clinics.  Race and hang out at the NASTAR course- I'm sure you can find racers who are more than happy to give you great advice.

post #16 of 18

I coach youth racers and a strong start is surprisingly hard to teach.  The best analogy I have found is to pretend you are diving into a pool.  

 

When you dive into a pool, you hang your toes on the ledge of the pool and start falling forward.  At this point in the dive you drop your butt a bit and DIVE in getting your head in front of your feet and exploding forward using muscle AND elastic components.  

 

As the starter counts you down, roll up slowly on the knuckle under the wand.  When you feel the tipping point, drop your butt and DIVE in.  The last thing over the wand should be your feet.

If you feel like you are going to faceplant, you are doing it right.   

 

The hard part is timing up the DIVE off the knuckle directly under the wand.  

 

Try DIVING into your next start.  

post #17 of 18

Some thoughts on the videos.  

 

The first one shows some guys training SG or DH.  They are not exploding out of their starts because the initial pitch is steep and they accelerate quickly.  Setting up for the first turn is more important than a huge start.  IF you are starting on a flat NASTAR hill, an explosive start and some hard skating make a huge time difference.  Practice your skating too.  

 

 

As for video #2, notice that the racer jumps a bit BEHIND the knuckle.  NOTE how far he is from the wand.  A good start yes, but he could have popped more forward closer to the knuckle.  Also note he is training SL.  The first gate is relatively close so again the start in SL tends to be a bit more subdued

post #18 of 18

Just another quick hint-you do not have to time your start to the countdown. The timer will not start until the wand is moved, so don't feel you have to go at the exact moment the starter says "Go"

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