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Women skiers, Atomic Blackeye, Head Super Joy?

post #1 of 14
Thread Starter 

Trying to help my mother find a new pair of skis. 

She is a former Western gal, grew up skiing larger mountains than the groomer we have out East.

She was a good technical skier, I would rate her advanced/expert in her prime. 

 

She never had expensive skis, and relied on technique to "keep up."
She currently uses Atomic Balanze 3:1 141cm that she picked up at a garage sale for $20. Before that she had a set of "straight" Atomics, I have no idea what model. I don't know if she is preferential to Atomic, but that appears to be all she has owned.

So I would like to find her a set that is well above what she has used in the past.

 

Being older now (60, shh...), not as strong, and more fragile, she does not ski aggressively, and I would probably put her more in the average style with intermediate/advanced capability (she could easily overpower her current skis)

I would like a ski that has good torsional rigidity for safety during those ice skating periods we go through out east which made me think something with at least 1 Titanal layer. Downside is that they are heavy.

 

I am a fan of Head Skis, and thought the new Super Joy, with its light weight (5lb with binding 2280g), would be perfect and I read they are at least reasonably torsionally stiff. But they are too new and too expensive.

I am trying to keep this sub $350 and between 5-6.5lbs (2270-3000g) with binding.

 

She likes light weight, her boots only weigh 3 lbs.

 

Atomic's Blackeye and Blackeye Ti's I can easily get around $200; cheap enough I can sell them again if they don't suit her and they haven't changed too much since 2011. Just picked up Ti a set for myself to try out, but at 167cm at 7lb 9oz - 3440g they are even heavier than the Monster iM78's I use by almost 1/2 a lb. I don't imagine there would be a drastic weight reduction at 160cm.

 

Anybody have weight numbers on Blackeye non-ti with bindings at 160cm?
Her 'ideal' size is around 157 so close enough.

 

Can any female skiers comment on Blackeye's as far as handling?

 

I don't want to rule out all other options, but Blackeye's are ubiquitous, cheap, and I could order a set tomorrow.

 

Thanks!

post #2 of 14

If there's an Elan dealer near you, you might want to look at the Delight QT.  Elan says its the lightest women's ski made.  My wife demoed these at Copper Mountain last year and really liked them, but got a pair a Head Total Joys because 85mm makes more sense in the Rockies than 76mm.  I have no idea about price.  I've skied the Blackeye Ti.  It is a good solid ski but it is the most boring ski I've ever been on.  I couldn't get any rebound out of it at all.  It failed my most important test when demoing skis, it was not fun.  They were pretty easy to ski and are probably best suited to lower intermediates, certainly not upper intermediates.  The Atomic rep didn't have the non Ti version but I wouldn't have been interested even if he did.  

post #3 of 14
Thread Starter 

I looked into the Elan skis, and I don't think they would be bad, it just comes down to the price and most are at or above $350.

I was thinking the Delight might not be stiff enough as they are on Elan's more beginner side of skis, cap construction, no reinforcements. The Inspire and the Insomnia both look good, but they are too expensive.

 

As far as the blackeye, I don't know that boring is a bad thing in her case.

I did find out that the Pre ARC skis seem to be lighter, binding must be heavy. Almost 1/2lb difference in the same size of ski. 

post #4 of 14
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Originally Posted by Spring1898 View Post
 

 

I was thinking the Delight might not be stiff enough as they are on Elan's more beginner side of skis, cap construction, no reinforcements. T

 

Ofc, it would still be a sizable upgrade from the Balanze 3:1  :)   Don't discount cap construction - at the weights you appear to want to achieve it will be more durable than sandwich.

 

Have a look at the Blizzard Vivas - there should be previous years' stock all over the net.   Weightwise they will match or beat a Blackeye - and be a lot more fun.

post #5 of 14

What about the Atomic Cloud series? Cloud Seven maybe?

post #6 of 14

Paging @Trekchick for suggestions.

post #7 of 14
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Originally Posted by mtcyclist View Post
 

If there's an Elan dealer near you, you might want to look at the Delight QT.  Elan says its the lightest women's ski made.  My wife demoed these at Copper Mountain last year and really liked them, but got a pair a Head Total Joys because 85mm makes more sense in the Rockies than 76mm.  I have no idea about price.  I've skied the Blackeye Ti.  It is a good solid ski but it is the most boring ski I've ever been on.  I couldn't get any rebound out of it at all.  It failed my most important test when demoing skis, it was not fun.  They were pretty easy to ski and are probably best suited to lower intermediates, certainly not upper intermediates.  The Atomic rep didn't have the non Ti version but I wouldn't have been interested even if he did.  


Mt Cyclist's suggestion is pretty much the same as my advice. Thumbs Up

post #8 of 14
Thread Starter 

Thanks all,

I have been looking into all the suggestions. It looks like the Atomic Cloud series is good, the blizzard Viva 7.7 770 X7 etc, also checking out the Affinity sky by atomic which should come in around 6lbs with binding. Just comes down to price and good condition. 

post #9 of 14

My wife's 58, and a life long skier. Finesse and precision. She picked up a pair of 163cm Head SuperJoys a year ago, as her hard snow ski for the Northeast{where we spend most of our ski time}, and it blew away all of her expectations. Great on hard snow, and she found it to be versatile in almost everything. When we were in CO a couple of times last winter, she was skiing them instead of her wider skis in 6' or so of fresh snow. 

 

She loves the ski, probably as much as any ski that she's ever had. And she's had many.  She commented on the light weight right form the start. Another pair of her skis has been a left over pair of our daughter's 155cm SL skis, with two layers of metal, plates, metal race bindings. I bet they weigh twice as much.

 

Very impressed with the "Joy" line of skis. I would thing that some lightly used SJ's should be available soon, and in, or real close to your budget range. Might be worth a try, or search! Don't want to complicate things, but the wow factor on this was huge. We've heard that from others as well. BTW, she now has a pair of Total Joys that will Iive in CO.  

 

Very nice of you, BTW. 

post #10 of 14
Thread Starter 

I really would like to get the Super Joy's, but they are just too much right now. 

How do they grip on the ice?

post #11 of 14

Tremendous ice ski. We ski where it's as "firm" as anywhere. I'm not just saying "nice my wife like these......."

She and I have had over 100 pairs of skis one the past 20 years, or so says our tuning shop {who numbers them all....}.

This is a serious do it all ski for her. Like I said, she's 58, and she prefers the precision of truly carving smaller radius turns, rather than charging in big Super G turns. 

 

This is one of her 2-3 favorite skis as long as she can remember. So that's a decent endorsement. 

 

This is a brutal ski year in the East. You may find a nicely used pair at a good price. It's been awful for the retailers, and things are being moved now, in some cases at what sure looks like cost to me. That will only make the price of used skis more attractive. I hate to see it for my friends in the industry, but for consumers, it's a great market. 

 

They were NOT an expensive ski to begin with. These aren't a Kastle or a Stocki. 

 

At any rate, my wife can't say enough. When our daughter, who has a serious ski background first saw her mother skiing these, her comment was "I haven't seen mom ski this well, and having so much fun, in about 10 years!"

 

Just one person's experience, to be sure. There are SO many great skis being made. 

post #12 of 14
Find a Head dealer that demos these and have your mother try them. If she likes them see if the dealer will sell you the demos. Or even check eBay for a pair of demos because a lot of dealers sell their demos on eBay. But only buy from a dealer with a good return policy.
post #13 of 14
Thread Starter 

Usually when I look for things I search the entire country via craigs and ebay. 

No such luck on the Super Joy's (price or size) in the last 3 weeks which was why I started looking at other models.

No head dealers locally. My pair came out of Salt Lake city, practically brand new 4 years ago. 

I also don't live quite so local to my mother and the nearest decent sized slope is about 1.5 hours away, so a little hard to demo. 

 

Just about anything will be an improvement over what she has, but I try to get the best I can for the money.

post #14 of 14
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Originally Posted by Spring1898 View Post
 

 I try to get the best I can for the money.

 

We can all respect that.    

 

Just remember that 'perfect' is the enemy of both 'good' and 'very good' - and in a season this short I'm not sure I would spend much time looking to improve beyond 'very good'. 

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