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post #31 of 37

Sorry Jamt,

 

Typo on iPhone.

 

Reference was to Stivot turns in the 50's, though that's not they were called back then.

 

http://www.britishpathe.com/video/sailer-wins-international-ski-competition/query/Anton

 

On shaped a little different but not that much as the intent is the same.

post #32 of 37
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@tdk6 look at your video again, and look at the release of the snow (there are only few shots that show it clearly as the video is a touch high). What you see is that both skis are in the transition if not finishing the transition and as a result the ski being lifted is the new inside ski. Whether this is the downhill ski matters not it is the fact that it is the INSIDE SKI being lifted at the initiation.
 

 

I know, but I was thinking that since this is a Schrittbogen turn progression from the 50's I should also use the appropriate terminology for that time period. But would you not say that the transition between turns starts with the lifting of the outside ski. The old outside ski. Soon to become the new inside ski? Moments after. If I had not picked the ski up there would have been no turn? Or?

post #33 of 37
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Originally Posted by oldschoolskier View Post

@tdk6 look at your video again, and look at the release of the snow (there are only few shots that show it clearly as the video is a touch high). What you see is that both skis are in the transition if not finishing the transition and as a result the ski being lifted is the new inside ski. Whether this is the downhill ski matters not it is the fact that it is the INSIDE SKI being lifted at the initiation.
 

 

I know, but I was thinking that since this is a Schrittbogen turn progression from the 50's I should also use the appropriate terminology for that time period. But would you not say that the transition between turns starts with the lifting of the outside ski. The old outside ski. Soon to become the new inside ski? Moments after. If I had not picked the ski up there would have been no turn? Or?

 

IMO the transition occurs as the wt transfers from old outside to new outside once this happens the old outside ski is the new inside ski immediately by definition at the same time it is lifted, or just a shade after.

 

Try and do it the other way and you'll likely catch a nasty edge and be punished for it. :eek

post #34 of 37
So what's the translation for Schrittbogen?
post #35 of 37
Schritt = Step

Bogen = curve (or there abouts)

So loosely translated Step turn.
post #36 of 37
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IMO the transition occurs as the wt transfers from old outside to new outside once this happens the old outside ski is the new inside ski immediately by definition at the same time it is lifted, or just a shade after.

 

Try and do it the other way and you'll likely catch a nasty edge and be punished for it. :eek

 

You are right. You win. But... as always... my 2c... in theory I would like to think of it as shifting the weight to the new outside ski while its still on its LTE. That would be the inside ski would that not. As you say, just a shade after. Or? In the old days the pole plant took place at the exact same time the weight was transferred to the new outside ski.

post #37 of 37
No the pole plant was the initiator of the transition very similar to today except that it was more of a reach forward. Which is why I still ski with long poles, old school habits die hard. Now I just pole drag/tap but a lot further back (not good form but it works).
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