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Volkl FIS Racetiger 183 or Fishe FIS RC4 183 23 radis

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Moving to racing skis to add to my quiver. Found 2 pairs of FIS skis in 183 23 radius, new under $400 with bindings which I have read could be a great ski for groomers. They are 2012/2013. The Volkl has one sheet of metal and the Fisher two so I am going to assume the Fisher would be stiffer. I am going to use this for groomers and hope not to work to hard. Anybody have any experience with these?

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Just saying, When I'm on a ski that is really high performance, I find my self pushing my limits more and working harder. I remember when the 6 stars came out, buddies and I all had the seem thought about them after we demoed. That ski was so much fun we'd tire ourselves out to soon.

 

I'm thinking you'd enjoy one sheet of metal.

 

I'm also thinking, you have to much time on your hands, my friend. LOL

post #3 of 15

Those are pretty big sticks for the midwest.  A SL might be a little more useful,  if you plan to make more than one turn.

post #4 of 15
Thread Starter 
Both are women's skis!
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It all depends on your weight. If you don't, they can be pretty tiring. Also those old skis might not have a lot of edge left.

You may need to have them in speed to find their sweetspot, and for that you need large pistes relatively empty. Do you have such conditions?

I had a 3 seasons Head R23/183 and now a new Atomic R25/183,which is noticeably stiffer, so the old skis might be a bit softer
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Levy1, 

 

I've skied on that Volkl A LOT. My daughter was a fully comp'd Volkl athlete on the good stuff for 7 seasons. I'm about 200 lbs. She's about 135 lbs. 

 

I'm just thinking......that would not be my choice of ski. I had a house full of them, as they provided her with a lot of them. I bent more that one free skiing, and they are at least a 23 M radius. I'm quite sure they are bigger. They are kind of a one trick pony. Just as a mens FIS GS ski is. 

 

They're a FIS ski, and they like to make one sized turn shape. Some were laid up with one layer of 5mm Titanal, some with two of 3mm each as I recall. They don't really love to be worked into a smaller turn shape, thought they can be. 

 

I replied to you PM of a week or so ago. If I were you I would buy a top quality cheater GS. My personal favorite, having skied them all, is a 180cm Head iSpeed. Close seconds for me are the Fischer, the Rossi, and the Dynastar. Some love the Nordica and the Blizz. The whole category is great. 

 

If you want a small TR, a great ski is the Head NON RD SL, which is available in a 165cm, and also a 170cm. I know a lot of people who love it as a free ski. Again, there are a lot of great ones in the category.  Elan makes a tremendous one. 

 

BTW, new leftovers of that vintage might not be that great. The good ones probably would have been on the hill. How have they been stored? They could be awesome, I guess. I've free skied a great deal with young ladies on both of those skis, on big hills, and the skis like to rip, big turns, big speed. FIS speed. Is that what you really want based on where you ski? 

 

If it is.....maybe they work. You're much bigger than any woman who was skiing that ski, as well. The bigger women were on the most beefy layup, and often on a longer ski. Just throwing that one out there.

 

I would really start by trying to get on a good cheater.  

post #7 of 15

The 23 to 25M skis are great in a race course or hills with lots of vertical.  My 23M rossis come out for practice and very specific courses as they are not that much fun to ski on with only 400 to 550' of vertical around here.

 

For free skiing, you would have a lot more fun on a pair of older 21M boards or cheater GS skis in a 16m to 19m radius.

post #8 of 15
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So, just when I think I have the ultimate Eastern short/long turn, doesnt have to stay on edge ski:hissyfit:

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Originally Posted by levy1 View Post

Moving to racing skis to add to my quiver. Found 2 pairs of FIS skis in 183 23 radius, new under $400 with bindings which I have read could be a great ski for groomers. They are 2012/2013. The Volkl has one sheet of metal and the Fisher two so I am going to assume the Fisher would be stiffer. I am going to use this for groomers and hope not to work to hard. Anybody have any experience with these?

Don't know about the Volkl. A friend and I each bought a pr of those Fischers......2013 - 183/23M. They were sold as women's gs, stiff, at a very good price. This was a place in Stowe, VT. The topsheet says => 23M, they're actually more like 28M. I'm guessing the factory put the wrong topsheet on these and that's why they were so cheap, but who knows. It's turned out to be very stable with excellent edge grip, surprisingly quick on and off edge, and very easy to turn. It's a really nice cruising ski that's become a favorite for both of us. I've spent lots of time on 186 / >21R skis and have come to prefer this one. But also......this is a race ski and you won't overpower them...... the more energy you put into it the more you get out of it.
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I use >23 m 185 cm Racetiger 2012/2013 as a recreational large turn carving ski.  I'm 5'7 and 145 lbs and they feel very stable at speed but not very turny. Only used them a couple of timed yet as they are new for the season, and the appropriate slope opened late.

 

They where listed at 183 cm but then they turned out to be 185 cm. I think they have the same dimensions as the current skicross/master ski from Volkl. Not sure how they would compare to the 2012/13 183 cm >23 m.  179$ with piston plate from ASOgear on ebay, new in wrapper without bindings, couldn't let that go even though I have enough skis. They are quite different from my cheater gs 178 cm Racetiger RC with 18.4 m radius. Much less turny.

 

I live 2 km from a 900 vert ski hill with a wide black groomer and a high speed lift, and often ski late at night 21-22 on weekdays when the groomers are essentially empty. They work perfectly for that purpose and gives a contrasting experience to my more turny skis. They have put a big grin on my face the few times I have used them, and I haven't even managed to hurt myself yet. They feel very stable going through icy ruts etc, but the pilot might fall off. One surprising good thing has been how much smoother it feels like to carve large radius turns on these skis on patchy soft-hard inconsistent snow compared to doing the same on the SL-skis. I hate inconsistent conditions on the SL-skis. Probably something to do with the size of the patches compared to the size of the turns.

 

But a bit of a one-trick pony. Not something I would choose for a weekend on crowded hills or take on a holiday. Quiver ski.

 

On the other hand think I will develop as a less one-dimensional skier by skiing these at times compared to only skiing groomers on my 155 cm SL-skis or the turny GS cheater skis.

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The topsheet says => 23M, they're actually more like 28M. I'm guessing the factory put the wrong topsheet on these and that's why they were so cheap, but who knows.

I think that's common for racing skis, When they say >23 M, they mean >23M not =23M. Since they were 183 cm and not 185 cm they would not comply to the mens rules at the time anyway and then they would not be labeled >27M even if the actual radius was 28M. Haven't run mine through the radius calculator yet.

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I think that's common for racing skis, When they say >23 M, they mean >23M not =23M. Since they were 183 cm and not 185 cm they would not comply to the mens rules at the time anyway and then they would not be labeled >27M even if the actual radius was 28M. Haven't run mine through the radius calculator yet.

This 183 is the women's 2013 ski. Of course > means it's more, you expect that. Still I wasn't expecting >23 to be as much more as these things are.....less sidecut than some >27's I have. But they ski really well and I like them, so no big deal.
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Originally Posted by levy1 View Post
 

I am going to use this for groomers and hope not to work to hard. 

On what planet do humans choose to ski FIS GS skis on rec groomers, and not work too hard? Do you understand that these are the real deal, they wake up at 50 mph and serious edge angles, and that "groomers" contain unpredictable civilians, little kids, people darting out from the edges with no warning, psycho snowboarders who think crashing is part of the cool? Not saying it isn't possible to ski adult FIS GS's on rec slopes, just that they require concentration and some commitment to handle safely, and ski them, instead of vice-versa. I race women's FIS spec GS's, have to go over rec groomers to get to the course after a run, and as much as I love 'em, it's, uh, work. As in, concentration and focus on doing things right at lower speeds. (FWIW, it's tougher to carve at lower speeds on racing skis. Big open fast runs are not a measure of your skill set.) I'd strongly recommend you think about U16 lengths, 175-ish, with a bit more flex and a bit less need for strong mechanics. Or get a non-FIS spec racing model like the Rossi Masters. It's gotten very strong reviews, will give you all you need at 175 or 180. 

post #14 of 15

I second (actually fourth or fifth) the cheater/masters, over the FISw, probably.  

 

I own and enjoy both recreationally, on groomers - Volkl Racetiger world cup gs r. 23 FIS 183 woman's old spec., and Stockli Masters gs (~179, r ~19).

(But I am only 5'10", ~150 lbs.)

 

They are very different skis, but both great.  The woman's old FIS is definitely more of a challenge, more heads up required.  

 

Not sure that on shorter midwest slopes the FISw would be has useful.   

 

Skiing in Colorado (Copper Mt.), during the week, non-holidays, I take out the Masters without hesitation on groomers, pretty casually; and take out the woman's old spec FIS when I'm feeling particularly good, and there are relatively few people that day.   Copper has long, open, often empty slopes where the National team trains in the fall, pretty ideal for either ski.

 

And I'm often sharing the slopes with racing folks doing laps on similar skis.   


Edited by ski otter - 2/19/16 at 2:56pm
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P.S.  To my relief, I found both skis relatively easy to handle and fun, not intimidating - at my size.  A gs race ski handles and controls speed with great stability, if you are used to it, and/or have a racing background somewhere in your past.   So, @levy1, hope you enjoy whichever ski you get.   


Edited by ski otter - 2/19/16 at 2:55pm
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