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Question regarding Toko Freeride Vise

post #1 of 18
Thread Starter 

Hi EpicSki.

 

I am on the hunt for a vise, and i need it to fit both my gs skis and my 100mm+ skis.

 

I found a cheap(ish) toko freeride vise, but the middle piece seems to be the only piece where you can lock the ski tightly with a screw. The end pieces have 2 set angles, but i am wondering if the skis will be wobbling around when you can't hold them in place with a screw.

 

http://www.amazon.com/Toko-Ski-Free-Vise-Yellow/dp/B008XSJAIO/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1455129877&sr=8-1&keywords=toko+freeride+ski+vise

 

So, does anyone know if this vise will do the job or not? Alternatively i would be getting the world cup vise where i am certain you can tighten all 3 points of the vise.

 

http://www.amazon.com/Toko-Ski-World-Vise-3-Piece/dp/B008XSJBC4/ref=sr_1_1?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1455129845&sr=1-1&keywords=toko+world+cup+ski+vise

 

-And anyone happens to know who manufactures these things :-)?

 

Thanks in advantage.

/Nick


Edited by Cowsgomooh - 2/10/16 at 10:55am
post #2 of 18

The center unit in world cup vise (#2) will probably not open wide enough to accept your 100 mm all mountain boards. 

 

If you have concerns regarding the security of the end holders sans screw down clamps, you can get the best of both worlds by looking at the following.

 

 Wintersteiger Ski Vise Pro: 90mm Jaw/130mm Opening

 

Swix Power Pro Vise 2016

 

Shop around for the best price. 

 

BTW, I don't generally use the center unit while I am tuning & waxing. A sharp wax scraper helps a lot.   

post #3 of 18
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by KingGrump View Post
 

The center unit in world cup vise (#2) will probably not open wide enough to accept your 100 mm all mountain boards. 

 

If you have concerns regarding the security of the end holders sans screw down clamps, you can get the best of both worlds by looking at the following.

 

 Wintersteiger Ski Vise Pro: 90mm Jaw/130mm Opening

 

Swix Power Pro Vise 2016

 

Shop around for the best price. 

 

BTW, I don't generally use the center unit while I am tuning & waxing. A sharp wax scraper helps a lot.   

 

The swix vise do indeed look nice, but my only problem is the price. In Europe they are pretty darn expensive (same goes for US i guess), and i found the toko vise for 2/3 of the ordinary price....

 

I see what you mean about the center piece. Previously i have only been waxing and two plastic boxes with some anti-slip rubber on top along with a sharp scraper has done a great job, but i feel i need something a bit more sturdy for doing edgework. 

 

But you haven't tried the toko or something like it without the screws have you? I mean, it should do the job, otherwise why would they make it that way...

post #4 of 18

OP, you'll probably get a lot of personal preference here but I like end supports that screw down against the ski MUCH MUCH better than ones that just have a slot for the ski to sit in.

 

Also, you don't necessarily have to clamp against the sidewall of the ski to hold it in place when you're waxing/scraping/brushing.  If you have a vise that doesn't go wide enough for the ski, you can also clamp against the binding to hold it in place.  Obviously, you'll want to use discretion on how tight you clamp down against a heel or tow piece but even when you tighten against the sidewall, you don't use gorilla strength to hold it in place.

 

Of the two you mentioned, I'd pick the one with the adjustable end supports.

post #5 of 18
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MoJo23 View Post
 

OP, you'll probably get a lot of personal preference here but I like end supports that screw down against the ski MUCH MUCH better than ones that just have a slot for the ski to sit in.

 

Also, you don't necessarily have to clamp against the sidewall of the ski to hold it in place when you're waxing/scraping/brushing.  If you have a vise that doesn't go wide enough for the ski, you can also clamp against the binding to hold it in place.  Obviously, you'll want to use discretion on how tight you clamp down against a heel or tow piece but even when you tighten against the sidewall, you don't use gorilla strength to hold it in place.

 

Of the two you mentioned, I'd pick the one with the adjustable end supports.

 

Thanks for tuning in, i hear you. Actually, when the skis are in 90 deg. position for edge work, do you still use the middle clamp? Maybe i should just go for a simpler cheaper two piece vise.

 

I guess you do use it, but could be without it. I am having a hard time finding a youtube video or likewise of the freeride vise.

post #6 of 18
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cowsgomooh View Post

 

The swix vise do indeed look nice, but my only problem is the price. In Europe they are pretty darn expensive (same goes for US i guess), and i found the toko vise for 2/3 of the ordinary price....

 

I see what you mean about the center piece. Previously i have only been waxing and two plastic boxes with some anti-slip rubber on top along with a sharp scraper has done a great job, but i feel i need something a bit more sturdy for doing edgework. 

 

But you haven't tried the toko or something like it without the screws have you? I mean, it should do the job, otherwise why would they make it that way...

 

The bold part is funny. As said about P.T. Barnum - "There is a sucker born every minute".

 

In all seriousness, I have several different sets of vises. With both narrow and wide center units. And yes, I have one of those 2 piece set from Swix without screw. They work OK, not my favorite.

 

When I tune the edges, often I only lightly tighten the screw on one end piece. With the screw-less units, I just hold the ski with my left hand if the files are cutting too aggressively - not really a issue.

 

For skis where the top sheet is not  flat, clamping the ski with the center unit can improve the stability of the ski quite a bit. 

post #7 of 18
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by KingGrump View Post
 

 

The bold part is funny. As said about P.T. Barnum - "There is a sucker born every minute".

 

In all seriousness, I have several different sets of vises. With both narrow and wide center units. And yes, I have one of those 2 piece set from Swix without screw. They work OK, not my favorite.

 

When I tune the edges, often I only lightly tighten the screw on one end piece. With the screw-less units, I just hold the ski with my left hand if the files are cutting too aggressively - not really a issue.

 

For skis where the top sheet is not  flat, clamping the ski with the center unit can improve the stability of the ski quite a bit. 

 

Thanks, i want to get it right as this tool should last a while. After you two tuned in, my stubbornness took over and i just emptied ebay and the entire internet to find a decently priced vise with screws.

 

Found this one : http://www.holmenkol.com/produkte/superproplus-weltcup-skispanner.html

 

Not a wide version, but will do. My GS skis need the most love anyways, and i can do the powder skis without the middle clamp. 

 

Thanks for helping out sir!

post #8 of 18
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cowsgomooh View Post
 

 

Thanks for tuning in, i hear you. Actually, when the skis are in 90 deg. position for edge work, do you still use the middle clamp? Maybe i should just go for a simpler cheaper two piece vise.

 

I guess you do use it, but could be without it. I am having a hard time finding a youtube video or likewise of the freeride vise.

 

Even though I don't use the vise when doing edge work, I would never recommend someone purchase a ski vise that was only the two end supports.  IMO, you definitely want a 3 piece ski vise.

post #9 of 18

+1 for 3 piece.  Even if just for the clamping (so it doesn't slide when scraping/brushing) and to negate the effect of the ski flexing (when scraping/brushing).

You don't need to get an extra wide vise, as posted above you can just clamp to the binding or plate.

 

I personally use the Swix World Cup vise (same as the Toko one in different color) and it works great from my race skis to powder boards.

I personally wouldn't spend the extra on the "Freeride" given you really don't need the super wide jaws in my opinion.  I also like the screw down clamps on the world cup when doing edge work.  I don't tighten much but it's nice to take out any slop compared to the vises that don't have that screw. 

post #10 of 18
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by hbear View Post
 

+1 for 3 piece.  Even if just for the clamping (so it doesn't slide when scraping/brushing) and to negate the effect of the ski flexing (when scraping/brushing).

You don't need to get an extra wide vise, as posted above you can just clamp to the binding or plate.

 

I personally use the Swix World Cup vise (same as the Toko one in different color) and it works great from my race skis to powder boards.

I personally wouldn't spend the extra on the "Freeride" given you really don't need the super wide jaws in my opinion.  I also like the screw down clamps on the world cup when doing edge work.  I don't tighten much but it's nice to take out any slop compared to the vises that don't have that screw. 

 

Thanks. I'll definitely go with the  http://www.holmenkol.com/produkte/superproplus-weltcup-skispanner.html 3 piece and option to tighten end pieces.

 

I'll just clamp them very lightly to the binding. 

post #11 of 18

I'll weigh in with my opinion. I bought the Swix Power Pro a year ago. We have been using various brands of the basic Ski-Man WC vises for a couple of decades, and I felt that things would just be more "secure" with our wider skis. For me that's up to a Blizzard Bodacious. I've been very pleased with it. No jury jigging, no clamping bindings, etc. Our son's a coach, who also does a lot of free skiing, and he's using the same vice set-up if he's tuning his own wide skis. He told me to buy one. Personally, I think it {or another wide body vise with the adjustable end vises} is worth the extra money. This set up assures that the ski is both tight, and flat. 


Edited by Muleski - 2/10/16 at 6:54pm
post #12 of 18

 

To bad they stopped making this style vise, this is from Toko about 1999. Its worked great. I like the ergonomics of having  the at 45* angle to tune the edge. 

post #13 of 18

Here you go, thank god for Tognar.

 

http://www.tognar.com/profi-ski-vise-alpine-dynafit-nnn/

post #14 of 18
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cowsgomooh View Post
 

Hi EpicSki.

 

I am on the hunt for a vise, and i need it to fit both my gs skis and my 100mm+ skis.

 

I found a cheap(ish) toko freeride vise, but the middle piece seems to be the only piece where you can lock the ski tightly with a screw. The end pieces have 2 set angles, but i am wondering if the skis will be wobbling around when you can't hold them in place with a screw.

 

http://www.amazon.com/Toko-Ski-Free-Vise-Yellow/dp/B008XSJAIO/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1455129877&sr=8-1&keywords=toko+freeride+ski+vise

 

So, does anyone know if this vise will do the job or not? Alternatively i would be getting the world cup vise where i am certain you can tighten all 3 points of the vise.

 

http://www.amazon.com/Toko-Ski-World-Vise-3-Piece/dp/B008XSJBC4/ref=sr_1_1?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1455129845&sr=1-1&keywords=toko+world+cup+ski+vise

 

-And anyone happens to know who manufactures these things :-)?

 

Thanks in advantage.

/Nick


Some will argue, but I use Jaws Of The BEAST and it works with every ski I have ever tuned.  I don't show here, but with those Vokal RTM things that have side walls taller than a building I just place them on the sides and don't even use the center vice for the side work.  You can use the center with those, but don't need to.

 

Have a snowboard.  No problem.

post #15 of 18

BTW, with those vices your looking at the fat sidewall skis won't even fit into the end pieces unless you have a bench that's super long.  Then still may not work.  Give me a bit of time.

I'm going to show you the RTM's.

I'll be back later.

post #16 of 18

I own the Toko Freeride Vise and find it works great.  I have a racer daughter so I am using it weekly to do edge work and wax on her race skis plus the many skis that I own from narrow race skis to fat powder skis.  I thought I would dislike the fact that the end piece does not lock in when on edge but its a not an issue.  When the ski is on its side for edge work the middle piece is not used and just open it up and the ski sits in the middle of it fine.

post #17 of 18
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Originally Posted by Jacques View Post
 

BTW, with those vices your looking at the fat sidewall skis won't even fit into the end pieces unless you have a bench that's super long.  Then still may not work.  Give me a bit of time.

I'm going to show you the RTM's.

I'll be back later.


I'm back with the Volkl deal.  RTM's, AC's same deal so don't get into that issue!

post #18 of 18

I'm weighing back in. We have four of these in our family since the race careers ended, and our quivers began to include some very wide skis, as well as 65mm skis. This set up works. I've been more than a "casual tuner" for 45+ years. 

 

They aren't cheap. They work. On any number of benches.

 

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