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Getting back into the Game [6'7", has done boot fitting]

post #1 of 22
Thread Starter 

Hi Everyone,

 

A newb that has been lurking here and find the quality of content outstanding.  Based on the info here I am slowly getting back into the game.  I have been out of the game for 7 years.  I lost all my gear in a flood that wasn't covered under insurance.  Life, work intervened and I never seemed to find time to get on the slopes.  I moved from Pittsburgh to Chicago and that even hurt more as the time to the slopes mandated planning a trip versus a quick skip to the hill when time allowed. Lastly, until recently I was rocking my vintage Olin Mark IV's simply because I liked them.  I am self taught and started late.  I played hockey all my life through college and short stint in the A, so edging was easy ti pick up and watching my friends who were better then me gave me role models to emulate.  I have skied primarily East Coast, but also have been out west and handled blacks with no issues and some aplomb to be honest.  

 

So after reading all the newb threads, which are great by the way, I dropped the dime on a pair of Tecnica Mach 1 MV 120's.  They are like bedroom slippers.  And the 120 is plenty stiff for my 6 foot 7 258lb frame.  Now I am looking at boards.  I have been out 3 times on rentals from the shop where I bought the boots.  I rode the MX 78 177(?), MX88 177 and the VOLKL RSM (?) in 180.  After the rides my guy got feedback and is proposing the 2014 Kendo or Brahma as my one ski quiver for local riding, a trip home to the East and as my all purpose ride when I go out west (Whistler the first week in March.)  I have no reason to question my guy he fitted my boots and has been great at helping figure out where i should go.  I am looking for any feedback from similarly situated, size and style, skiers with thoughts on these two skis 2014 Kendo or the 2015 Brahma.  I like to ski all conditions and even try my hand in the bumps from time to time, though I need more gym time to get the core back for extended play.  

 

My feedback on the skis I road were generally positive.  The Kastle skis are top notch but out of my budget.  I liked the turn initiation of the 78 but liked the stability and pep of the 88.  The Volkl was a rocket and at times seemed to want to dictate the turn as opposed to me based on the conditions (namely downde skiers in my path)  it also was stable and decent in the bumps.

 

So to conclude, is the Brahma 187 too much ski?  would the older Kendo in 184 be too much ski?  I am looking to improve and expect that getting to know my gear will help inspire me to get better which is the goal.  All thoughts are appreciated.  

 

PS: I know there is extended discussion in many of the threads about the virtues of each ski, but some of the language is lost on me.  I am really trying to make a good buying decision and lastly, the shop doesn't have a demo in either.  It is a try it and buy it proposition.  Thanks and apologies for the novella.

post #2 of 22

You are a large person.  There is rarely any ski that will be too big for your body;  so if it feels too much ski it is likely a technique issue.  

So your decision along those lines are whether you are going to get something that's best for you now and you stay the same level or potentially you grow out of and you either sell and upgrade;  or you get something that's a little too much for you now that you grow into after improving your skills.

 

Search for skis for big guys thread:

http://www.epicski.com/t/142850/which-ski-for-a-big-guy

 

+ click through on the related threads section of that thread.

post #3 of 22
Thread Starter 

Thanks raysteng.  I didn't see the Clydesdale thread.  I will hunt around in there.  As to your other question, I would rather be challenged to grow into a ski than to be on a placebo.  Get busy living or get busy dying so to speak.  Thanks again.

post #4 of 22
First, boots should not feel like bedroom slippers. Sounds too loose for higher performance skiing. I'm 6'6" 225 lb and use Lange RS 130 (I have a 14-15 AA narrow feet). My toes touch the front of the boots when standing up straight, but pull off when skiing. Do yours? Are these boots stiff enough for your weight? I'd suggest posting in the Ask the Boot Guys section.

I skied a Rossi Experience 83 in 184 cm as a low intermediate and now an Elan Amphibio 88XTi in 186 cm as advanced intermediate. Can't speak to either of your suggestions from demos, but they are a similar class of skis to the Elan having same metal in them and stiff for us big guys. Hard to believe they would be too much for you at your size.

You can search on Clydesdale Ski Gear in the Topics Discussed
post #5 of 22

Hard to go wrong w/ Brahma 187, a solid benchmark performer in modern skis. My concern would be the boots feeling like "bedroom slippers".... Sound like you could potentially tolerate dropping down a size or two and benefit from the inherent advantages that would present.

post #6 of 22

Hi

 

Welcome back to skiing. I think you could ride both the Kendo and the Brahma, the suggestions are great, you have the body to use it. For the brahma you could go with either the 187 or the 180 cm, I guess its a matter of preference. The longer will give stability in crud and irregular terrain, while the 180 will give more agility in close spaces

 

You have used shorter skis, check if you would like the 187. I like the brahma bit better than the kendo (but I was a worse skier when I used the kendo, so maybe thats why)

 

Cheers

post #7 of 22
Thread Starter 
Thanks Cookie,

Is there a point where my size, height, weight etc negates the differences between the 180 and 187 to the point where the ski is performing the same as it would for an intended user at a different size and ski length?
post #8 of 22
Thread Starter 
I was fitted by a reputable fitter. My comment had more to do with the lack of pain or loss of circulation in my feet. I have broken both of the so I have some weird pressure points and these dont hurt. My toes brush the front but retract slightly when I lock in and am in a skiing position. The Mach 1 is allegedly, a stiffer boot by nature in both the 120 and 130. The fitter had me in a 130 Salomon XPro 130 and Mach 130 before i tried the 120. They felt better though im sure there is not much difference between the 130 and 120 in terms of design and materials.
post #9 of 22
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Originally Posted by tytlynz64 View Post

Thanks Cookie,

Is there a point where my size, height, weight etc negates the differences between the 180 and 187 to the point where the ski is performing the same as it would for an intended user at a different size and ski length?

That's a good question. I'm 6ft and was your weight and I had the feeling that I've mentioned (going shorter for nimble but longer for crud performance). With your added height maybe you won't feel that. I was just thinking that your have been skiing in some relatively short skis for your height, dunno if by preference or because the shop didn't have the longer ones
post #10 of 22

I'd just like to give you props for going about purchasing gear in the right way. Boots, bootfitting, then worry about everything else. Way to go! If you're this good at taking advice in the other aspects of skiing, you'll be back up to speed in no time! :yahoo:

 

Now back to your regularly scheduled thread...

post #11 of 22
I'm 6'3" 195lbs and have the Brahma in a 187. It does a reasonable impersonation of a GS ski on firmer snow, yet is friendly and easy going in the softer stuff.

The 180 might have been a bit quicker/better in the trees and steeper stuff, but the 187 is still perfectly fine. I think I could have gone either way, but am happy with the 187.

At 6'7" and 258lbs, I think the 187 is the obvious choice.
post #12 of 22
Thread Starter 


Thanks, taking advice has never been a strong suit but too much good stuff on here to ignore.  

post #13 of 22
So here is a question to the forum that could benefit the OP (and I've been thinking this for myself): what should a > 6'6", > 220 lb guy do for a quick, nimble, slalomish ski? Most big all-mountain skis like the Kendo and Brahma are referenced as GS-like, not slalom, but hard to imagine a <170 cm slalom ski as fun for a Clydesdale. Just live with a GS cheater at ~180 cm?
post #14 of 22
Thread Starter 

Great post XLTL.  I like the idea of a do it all ski, but it appears the industry has moved into a very specialized product offering model.  I am resigned that I may need to be open to owning more than one ski, and am interested in what might meet the qualifications you mentioned.  Quick and nimble and not too much bounce in the bumps.  

post #15 of 22
Yes I have Elan Amphibio 88 in 186 as my mid-fat ski but wonder what narrower shorter ski would work for me in icy tight spots and bumps. I demoed some last year that were pretty forgettable but not all lines were represented at the tents. Those I remembered all were longer mid-fats and I purchased the Elan. It's a pretty narrow demographic for folks like you and me!
post #16 of 22
6'6" 400 ish here, my new fischer ranger 90 ti's are a dream so far. I'm a low intermediate, just starting to do blues here on the east coast. I was on a 174 and jumped to a 186, and that was the move! Way more stable all around!
post #17 of 22
Thread Starter 
Back again, but first I would like to thank you all for your great contributions to the thread. So I got about 15 days on the snow last year. Primarily in the MW, Granite Peak and Boyle but did a Whistler trip for 5 days in March. The boots were awesome. Upgrading to a custom foot bed this week.

I was able to demo some great skis while in whistler. 187 Brahma, 184 Kendo, 180 experience, and. Bonafide. Closer to home skied the Mantra in 180 and a Kastle 78 in 180.

I am still looking for a one ski quiver if it is possible and looking at the Enforcer 93.

Here are some of my thoughts on the skis I tried.

Brahma- Good ski pretty quick edge to edge. However, The day I had them the weather turned to a white out and due to lack of visibility I was a bit cautious and found myself in the backseat a bit. The also took more effort than others.

Rossi A nice ski but a bit skittish. Lots of tip chatter when the crud built up.

Kendo - overall was the most confidence inspiring. Wore them for a group lesson that morphed into a private lesson when the group bailed after lunch. Made a lot of laps one on one with my instructor. But they felt heavy. I can't get my skis onto the rest on the chair because my legs are too long. Dangling free they really tired me legs out.

Bonafide. Great for the second heavy snow day out west. But were a bit too much for spring ice in Wis. same for the Mantra.

kastle was what I was used to coming from non shaped Olins. But I am looking for a bit more versatility.

So I read great reviews on the enforcer 93 and seen it mentioned alongside the Brahm ( new one) and Kendo. I was thinking 193cm. I plan to try and get 20 days this year, NY, Pa WV plus local weekend trips in Wis and Mi. Also plan to got to Tahoe and Winter Park.

Any thoughts on this choice and length? Is the new Brahma a similar choice? Any input is appreciated. Tx
post #18 of 22
Thread Starter 
I should add that My shop is out of 193cms so I would be buying without demoing. The have the new Brahmas. And would a salomon sth2 13 or Rossi fks 140 be good fits? There are deals on both right now.
post #19 of 22
Glad to hear you had a good season last year. No experience with the Enforcer or sth2, but I like my Look Pivots, same as the Rossi FKS.

I moved on from the idea of a salomish ski and pulled the trigger on some cheater GS Rossi Hero Elite LT in 183 cm for this year. Can't wait for my PA/NE season to begin.
post #20 of 22
Thread Starter 
If what we have been getting heads your way it should begin soon. 10 inches and still falling. Michigan is getting double that with lake effect.
post #21 of 22
Thread Starter 

to close this out, dropped the dime on Enforcer 93 193cm.  thanks to all for your help.  

post #22 of 22
Thread Starter 
Addendum: I posted this in another thread but here is a first impression review:

I will add this to the responses above. I'm 6'7, 270 and an intermediate but improving. I got back into the game last year and invested in boots and demoed a lot of skis before purchasing. I demoed the Brahma , bonafide, kendo, e88, and Mantra. I dropped the dime on Enforcer 93's in 193cm. I just got back from my first trip to Utah and spent a day at Brighton, Snowbird and Alta in that order. I love these skis. Day one was a get acquainted day and I stayed on piste though it didn't matter as it got chopped up pretty quick. They tips float through crud and even at this length were easy to make both short and wide turns. They hold an edge great. Snowbird was a better test as it was much steeper and again I felt like the skis responded to whatever the situation called for. I was able to keep them flat in the bumps and navigate my way through the bumps with control. I was able to slarve a turn or two as well. Probably not the best ski for bumps with the factory tune but serviceable. At Alta I ducked of into the trees when I saw multiple sets of tracks and these float like an inner tube and were easy to get up on top of stale powder and chop.

I am still in the feeling out phase and only attempted a few steeps, as that is my windmill, but I never felt like I was under equipped. Great ski and a lot of fun. Some reviews said they ski short and others said it skis long. I think they ski their length in that they are long in technical tight spaces but still manageable, while the tips help it float and seem to shorten it in chop. I would add that at Snowbird the sun was out out early and then was clouded over and the temps dropped and the snow firmed up to where the were pockets of near ice and the edges held very well. I rode the lift with a guy on the 100's and he said he had skied both and went with the 100s as his daily driver due to the fact that he lived there and Alta was his home mtn. He said there was bit better maneuverability in deeper power on the 100s but felt he could take the 93s pretty much anywhere the 100s could go. I hope this helps and apologize for the wordiness. I am 52yo.
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