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Mantra 170 or 177

post #1 of 13
Thread Starter 

Looking to buy a 2014/15 Mantra but uncertain on the size. I am 5'8 , 260lbs

 

I currently ski a 166 RTM80 but wish I had gone 171 for my east coast groomer and ice ski. Want to add the Mantra to the quiver  for soft snow/powder days and also for trips West or Alps.

 

I'm leaning toward the 177 to help keep the tips up in powdery conditions, since I already have the RTM for firm snow days.

 

thanks for any advice!

post #2 of 13

I say go wider for what your looking to do, out west and the Alps.

 

A 100mm or so waist ski is skied a lot by high end skiers here in the east. Personally I haven't bought into that yet, I still like my 89mm waist.

 

I have a 106mm and a 119mm waist ski. I'm 195lbs 5'11". my 106 is a 178cm and the 119's are 183cm. I ski Okemo most of the time.

 

I would also tell you to go 177cm at least. Your a big guy.

 

What level skier are you ?

post #3 of 13
Thread Starter 

Thanks for reply. I'm a level 7/8.

 

I also ski Okemo quite a bit. My 80 waist RTM's are perfect for the conditions we face in Vermont most of the time.

 

I think I'll check out Volkls 100eight, I just haven't skied on anything that wider than 90-95 underfoot

post #4 of 13
I'm skiing the Mantra this year as a daily driver in the NE (northern NY - VT.). I'm 155lbs x 65" and the 170cm is about perfect. Obviously this year hasn't been the greatest for that wdth all mountain ski, but I like it so far. I've unfortunately only had it in 6" of fresh, it did great.

I would say it is mandatory that you demo this ski first, as it rubs some people the wrong way, and is the complete opposite of the full camber Mantra.

Having said that it is still a good solid charger, just gave up some hard snow prowess for much more manageable maneuverability.

I never skied the tip rocker version, but I bet it is a nice balance of both.

I would try the 177 and the 184. The 170 would be too small I'd say. Blister gear did a great comparison of the 177 and the 184.
Edited by vwr1vwf - 2/11/16 at 3:07pm
post #5 of 13
I would heartily endorse the 100Eight. I demo'd it a couple of weeks ago as an eventual replacement for my Gotamas. I loved it, it showing a definite family resemblance to the Gotama while being better in essentially every way. I also agree with Max C's recommendation of going wider. My travel quiver the last couple of years has been Bushwackers (88 mm) and the Gotamas. The two overlap perfectly in the middle and cover the extremes well enough that I am happy with 99.9% of the conditions I encounter. When I ski Mammoth I can throw narrower/fatter skis in the back of the car for the expected conditions, but that's really overkill and done just so I can say I did it. And to put some miles on some otherwise underutilized boards. As to length, that's a personal thing. I'm 5'8", 140# and prefer skis on either side of 170 cm. I've never personally liked a (modern) ski greater than 175, but you outweigh me by about 120#.
Edited by cosmoliu - 2/11/16 at 8:07pm
post #6 of 13

At 260lbs, a 177 is minimum and I'd be looking at a 184.  I'm 5' 11" and 185 and I can ski the 177 or 184 both just fine.  I own a older 177 Mantra but kinda wish I had a 184, and a lot more snow. :)

post #7 of 13
Thread Starter 
does anyone ski the mantra as their daily driver in the east? I'm a bit tempted to dump the RTM and go mantra as daily driver and then pick up something real fat for pow days when traveling..

ebay has some killer deals if you don't mind pre own'd (not talking demos only)
post #8 of 13
I have mantras, brahmas, slalom and a multitude of race skis and ski all the places in northern michigan. Three years ago I rode my mantra all the time, but we were getting dumped on. Last year we got less snow and lots of cold and I rarely used them. This year is low snow, they are in the basement with storage wax until my Bohemia trip.

Your RTM is a far better daily driver in the east. If you want a pow ski, move up to a fully rockerd 110mm+ fat boards and expect them to see little action.
post #9 of 13

At your weight you want something wider and more rockered than a Mantra as a soft snow ski.

post #10 of 13
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Originally Posted by nhartt View Post

does anyone ski the mantra as their daily driver in the east? I'm a bit tempted to dump the RTM and go mantra as daily driver and then pick up something real fat for pow days when traveling..

ebay has some killer deals if you don't mind pre own'd (not talking demos only)


I have the 2015 Mantra in 177cm I'm 6' 205lbs. Last year used it as DD for almost the entire year here on the east coast. This year is no where close to last year unfortunately. I have used it one day with some powder on the ground. I bought a Roosi Hero GS ski and have mostly been on that. That has been a great ski for this year.Just picked up a Kastle FX 84 on this site from Bogatyr. Been on it for a week and loving it for conditions we have. The Mantra's will come out if and when we get better ( snow) conditions. I would not want the rockered Mantra as my everyday ski on what has mostly been hardpack and boiler plate days here. It is good on nice packed powder groomers, excellent in tracked out powder/crud, breaking up frozen coral, mashed potato bumps and fun and manuverable in powder in the open and in trees. If you are getting it the 177cm is a minimum you would want at your size. It skis pretty short.

post #11 of 13

As someone who uses this site a bunch to learn about kit, I joined to give you a little feedback on the Mantra. I have the 2015 in 184mm w/ Marker Griffons that I bought last year as I began skiing again and wanted something less than a decade old.  I'm 6'1 circa 200 and like to go faster than my skills warrant most likely.  I grew up skiing out west in CO but have only skied East Coast the last two years after a long time off from skiing, ski about 10-15 days a year. I like to pressure the front of the ski, tip them and generally carve/smash through everything on the surface.  I bought them because I wanted something burly I could go fast on crap snow with but could also noodle around with the kids as they learn.  Pretty much feel like I hit the nail on the head thanks to great info.  It can carve ice or noodle around picking up little ones off the snow.  Likes to go fast on any kind of snow, not the best tool for bumps (for me at least).  Have only skied recently on my set of Stockli Stormrider AT's from 2007 (184/74) which is fully cambered and narrow for comparison (not sure that is at all helpful).  Mantra is way, way better in bad snow and carves as well on hardpack, has a lot bigger sweet spot for me.  The only gripe I would have is to second the comment from someone else about it being weird when running bases flat as it kind of wiggles around on that rocker whereas my stocklis don't lose stability running flat at all.

post #12 of 13
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Originally Posted by OldnSlow View Post
 

As someone who uses this site a bunch to learn about kit, I joined to give you a little feedback on the Mantra. I have the 2015 in 184mm w/ Marker Griffons that I bought last year as I began skiing again and wanted something less than a decade old.  I'm 6'1 circa 200 and like to go faster than my skills warrant most likely.  I grew up skiing out west in CO but have only skied East Coast the last two years after a long time off from skiing, ski about 10-15 days a year. I like to pressure the front of the ski, tip them and generally carve/smash through everything on the surface.  I bought them because I wanted something burly I could go fast on crap snow with but could also noodle around with the kids as they learn.  Pretty much feel like I hit the nail on the head thanks to great info.  It can carve ice or noodle around picking up little ones off the snow.  Likes to go fast on any kind of snow, not the best tool for bumps (for me at least).  Have only skied recently on my set of Stockli Stormrider AT's from 2007 (184/74) which is fully cambered and narrow for comparison (not sure that is at all helpful).  Mantra is way, way better in bad snow and carves as well on hardpack, has a lot bigger sweet spot for me.  The only gripe I would have is to second the comment from someone else about it being weird when running bases flat as it kind of wiggles around on that rocker whereas my stocklis don't lose stability running flat at all.

the OP is looking for a soft snow ski.

post #13 of 13
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Originally Posted by nhartt View Post

does anyone ski the mantra as their daily driver in the east? I'm a bit tempted to dump the RTM and go mantra as daily driver and then pick up something real fat for pow days when traveling..

ebay has some killer deals if you don't mind pre own'd (not talking demos only)


I intended to shed light on this ? by OP.  More explicitly, I use the 2015 Mantra as a DD in the east and enjoy it. 

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