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Utah Deep and steep tree powder skis for slow skier... suggestions. Thank you.

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Thread Starter 
I'm looking for something slarvy, quick to pivot, good in the trees and chutes. I'm in Utah, and I get a lot of snow. I can care less about groomers, and I already have the Blizzard Bonifides for icy and fast - Looking for a backcountry, easy turn, powder day ski only. Ideally, I'm looking for a fat, high-rockered ski, but I'm open for suggestions. I tend to be a slower and controlled skier; especially in uncharted steep cliff and tree areas. I ski switch only when required, huck when needed, but never do tricks.

My problem with the Bonifides is that they aren't quick to pivot, require considerable speed to float,  and they don't dump speed as much as I'd like in tight chutes. I'm athletic, 190lbs, 5'10, and 30 years old. I like backcountry skiing, but I'd like to use them for some nice powdery off-piste Snowbird days as well. Any suggestions for demoing? Quick pivoting is a must.
 
Thanks ,
Chris
post #2 of 23

Hmm, are you comfortable with the width of your Bonafides?  Are you looking for a something in the 100mm width or do you want to go with something much wider?  It sounds like width isn't going to be as big an issue for you as quickness and easy float but if you can narrow that down a bit I'm sure you will get lots of suggestions.

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I'm looking for something slarvy, quick to pivot, good in the trees and chutes. I'm in Utah, and I get a lot of snow. I can care less about groomers, and I already have the Blizzard Bonifides for icy and fast - Looking for a backcountry, easy turn, powder day ski only. Ideally, I'm looking for a fat, high-rockered ski, but I'm open for suggestions. I tend to be a slower and controlled skier; especially in uncharted steep cliff and tree areas. I ski switch only when required, huck when needed, but never do tricks.

My problem with the Bonifides is that they aren't quick to pivot, require considerable speed to float,  and they don't dump speed as much as I'd like in tight chutes. I'm athletic, 190lbs, 5'10, and 30 years old. I like backcountry skiing, but I'd like to use them for some nice powdery off-piste Snowbird days as well. Any suggestions for demoing? Quick pivoting is a must.
 
Thanks ,
Chris


I am 180 (6-2) and loved the Armada JJs in backcountry pow. Its a bit soft for the resorts but in pow it is awesome. Fun and easy to ski and turn quickly as needed. The new JJ 2.0's are supposedly just as great or even better. I would look into skis >110mm wide maybe even 120+. I usually like some camber underfoot but full rocker in pow works great. Unless you go on a backcountry tour or snowcat or heli tour its hard to test pow skis in a resort environment since quality pow at resorts is rare compared to the backcountry. 

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Line supernatural 115

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I was looking for something similar recently. After culling the net, my short list was ON3P billy goats, blizzard bodacious (15/16) or spur, volkl v-works katana, dps rpc 112 and kingswood smbs. Never got to demo that stuff (so take all this with a bigger than usual grain of salt) but on the basis of reviews pulled the trigger on the kingswoods (they're a custom shop in NZ, may go down in history as a bad decision but who knows).
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 since quality pow at resorts is rare compared to the backcountry. 

 

I'm not so sure. BC does not always hold the promise of safe accessible powder. And in the right places like UT or the PNW, resorts can dish up the goods with regularity. 

 

I'm of the school that thinks a real powder ski is 125 or wider. Usually wider. And rather rockered. And that skis like that can have a place in the resort quiver as much as for the mythical heli and cat trip world. .

 

I'm a fan of Praxis Protests and Powder Boards for this sort of thing. Protests for when I might care about some edge for groomer returns or scrubbed places. Powder Boards for pure powder fun where groomers will either be really soft or not much of an issue. The Protests are the definite family favorites for this...

 

For other options - DPS Lotus 138s, ON3P C&Ds, Powabungas, Volkl 3s, Armada Bubbas, etc, etc are the general kinds of things I'd suggest looking at.

post #7 of 23

There is a set of Praxis Protests for sale in the swap section right now.

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I can vouch for the Armada JJ 2.0's being an absolute blast for powder, off piste and tree skiing. They are exactly as you describe, super slarvy fun and playful. They are quick turning with a pretty tight radius for such a big ski. I am not the fastest skier ever myself either and the JJ's are my favorites. Wish I could ski them every day. 

 

I'm about the same size as you and I have the 185

post #9 of 23
Thread Starter 

Thank you all for your suggestions. In answer to the first question, I'm looking for something 115 minimum.

 

The JJ and powder boards will be up at the top of my list next time we get powder. I have been reading a lot into both of these skis recently (not demoed), but I find that the JJ is a highly suggested ski for those that like to ride switch - which I normally don't. I was wondering if people were overlooking some of its flaws because it favored switch, but it appears as though that is not the case.

 

Another poster mentioned the Billy Goats, which seem like a terrific ski, but I can't demo them. They also seem like they may need a high speed superstar to wield them.

 

I have tried the Supernaturals, and I loved them; however, I don't think they were the 115s. The ones I tried were in the mid 90's. I didn't know the 115s were made. I'll have to try those too. On bottomless days, have you found this ski to have good float, without nose dive?

 

In the end, I'm willing to give up all my groomer capabilities for a good, fat ski; though it is not ideal because when I'm at Snowbird, I still need to get to a lift.

 

Thank you to all that have replied,

Chris

post #10 of 23
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Shawn W Satch View Post
 

Hmm, are you comfortable with the width of your Bonafides?  Are you looking for a something in the 100mm width or do you want to go with something much wider?  It sounds like width isn't going to be as big an issue for you as quickness and easy float but if you can narrow that down a bit I'm sure you will get lots of suggestions.

I'm looking for something 115 minimum, but the wider the better. In the end, I'm willing to give up all my groomer capabilities for a good, fat ski; though it is not ideal because when I'm at Snowbird, I still need to get to a lift.

 

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I am 180 (6-2) and loved the Armada JJs in backcountry pow. Its a bit soft for the resorts but in pow it is awesome. Fun and easy to ski and turn quickly as needed. The new JJ 2.0's are supposedly just as great or even better. I would look into skis >110mm wide maybe even 120+. I usually like some camber underfoot but full rocker in pow works great. Unless you go on a backcountry tour or snowcat or heli tour its hard to test pow skis in a resort environment since quality pow at resorts is rare compared to the backcountry. 

 

The JJ and powder boards will be up at the top of my list next time we get powder. I have been reading a lot into both of these skis recently (not demoed), but I find that the JJ is a highly suggested ski for those that like to ride switch - which I normally don't. I was wondering if people were overlooking some of its flaws because it favored switch, but it appears as though that is not the case.

 

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Line supernatural 115

 

I have tried the Supernaturals, and I loved them; however, I don't think they were the 115s. The ones I tried were in the mid 90's. I didn't know the 115s were made. I'll have to try those too. On bottomless days, have you found this ski to have good float, without nose dive?

 

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I was looking for something similar recently. After culling the net, my short list was ON3P billy goats, blizzard bodacious (15/16) or spur, volkl v-works katana, dps rpc 112 and kingswood smbs. Never got to demo that stuff (so take all this with a bigger than usual grain of salt) but on the basis of reviews pulled the trigger on the kingswoods (they're a custom shop in NZ, may go down in history as a bad decision but who knows).

I hear a lot about the Billy Goats, which seem like a terrific ski, but I can't demo them. They also seem like they may need a high speed superstar to wield them.

 

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I'm not so sure. BC does not always hold the promise of safe accessible powder. And in the right places like UT or the PNW, resorts can dish up the goods with regularity. 

 

I'm of the school that thinks a real powder ski is 125 or wider. Usually wider. And rather rockered. And that skis like that can have a place in the resort quiver as much as for the mythical heli and cat trip world. .

 

I'm a fan of Praxis Protests and Powder Boards for this sort of thing. Protests for when I might care about some edge for groomer returns or scrubbed places. Powder Boards for pure powder fun where groomers will either be really soft or not much of an issue. The Protests are the definite family favorites for this...

 

For other options - DPS Lotus 138s, ON3P C&Ds, Powabungas, Volkl 3s, Armada Bubbas, etc, etc are the general kinds of things I'd suggest looking at.

I'm going to try the Protests ad the Protests and PBs if I can get a hold of them. Which of them is easier to throw around? Would you do trees with both of them?

 

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I can vouch for the Armada JJ 2.0's being an absolute blast for powder, off piste and tree skiing. They are exactly as you describe, super slarvy fun and playful. They are quick turning with a pretty tight radius for such a big ski. I am not the fastest skier ever myself either and the JJ's are my favorites. Wish I could ski them every day. 

 

I'm about the same size as you and I have the 185

This is a great suggestion. When I try the JJ's, I'll do it in the 185.

 

 

 

post #11 of 23

I've been really happy with my Rossignol Super 7s for skiing in powder.  The honeycomb tip and tail really reduces the swing weight.  I can whip them around in trees with no problems.  Float is great as well.  I'm 170 lbs in gear and I ski on the 180 cm model.

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I've been really happy with my Rossignol Super 7s for skiing in powder.  The honeycomb tip and tail really reduces the swing weight.  I can whip them around in trees with no problems.  Float is great as well.  I'm 170 lbs in gear and I ski on the 180 cm model.


^This is a good choice, esp since you say you don't ski too fast and would be powder specific. Plus they are pretty light - I would do the 188's though they ski short.  Review here:

 

http://www.epicski.com/t/123787/2014-rossignol-super-7

post #13 of 23

"Slarvy, quick to pivot..."

Sounds like the above suggestions of a Rossi Super 7's may be a great choice.

 

I ski the Line SN 100.  I have been fortunate enough this year to have a few days of really deep pow.  I find them to be totally adequate in skiing powder of any consistency; damned enjoyable actually.  They are a fairly stiff ski with a rocker/camber/rocker profile.  I'm not a huge fan of them in the tight aspens that are up at Powder Mountain.  I find they like to lock into a turn and finish it roundly.  They also sport a large turn radius (24m, I think)  Definitely not what I would call quick nor slarvy.  They are more of a charging ski for mortals.  From what I have read the Line SN 115 is an even stiffer ski and hence, probably even less playful.  If you were looking for a directional ski I would recommend them but it sounds like your needs are in the opposite direction.

 

I've haven't skied on them yet, but what about the Nordica Patron?

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The SN 115 is decently stiff under foot and moderate into the tail, but are fairly soft into the shovels which make them pretty playful for those approaching 200+ lbs. Mount on the line for more slarvy, +1.5cm-ish for less. I spent a season and half on them at Alta/Bird serving as a resort and side country ski and they fulfilled that role nicely. Again, it is really how you ski. I bounce those things around like they are noodles, but I have never had a problem making any type of turn I want at low speed.

 

I also have skied the Super 7 and own. I like the shape a little better than the SN, but it just isn't what the SN is under foot/tail. I ski it differently, but could be better option if you really are talking slow?

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I have not skied the Super 7. But I have spent a good amount of time on the Praxis GPO (both full reverse camber and rocker/camber versions - both great). It has roughly similar dimensions to the Super 7 and the original Automatic. The full reverse is slarvier and more pivoty than the hybrid. And it IMO it is still not close to the Protest or Powderboard for what is being sought here.

 

If someone is looking for uncompromising slarvy in powder, the baseline is fat reverse/reverse. The more camber and the more sidecut you introduce, the more you compromise that. Which can be fine if that compromise is what you are looking for. But a ski like a Super 7 or Patron (which I have demoed) is just not competitive if you want major loose slarviness. Likewise - nothing under 125 is going to be in the zone of loose and pivot on a relative basis.

 

Just my .02...

post #16 of 23

I bought a pair of Volkl Twos and have absolutely loved them in powder, and they do surprisingly well on small powder days (3+ inches) and on the groomer heading back to the lift.  Full rocker, 125mm.

 

I got a pair of demos at powder7 - pretty hard used, but it's not like I plan to put a lot of days on them, so the price was nice. But it's hard to beat this price for new skis: http://www.skiessentials.com/2015-volkl-two-skis.html

 

(They also  have a package deal with bindings)

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That deal at SkiEssentials on the Volkl One & Two is just INSANE as there is an additional 20% off at checkout.

 

That's $200 for brand new ski, or $280 with a new Tyrolia Attack 13 binding

 

- Andy

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Patron (my firsthand input).

 

Jeffrey, if you want an ON3P for mere mortals, as compared to the Billy Goat (input from owner on 3 random shared chair rides on the same day).

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That deal at SkiEssentials on the Volkl One & Two is just INSANE as there is an additional 20% off at checkout.

 

That's $200 for brand new ski, or $280 with a new Tyrolia Attack 13 binding

 

- Andy

 

Yeah - I'm kind of kicking myself for buying them on demo, hard used, for more - except there's a convoluted story for how that came to be.

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That deal at SkiEssentials on the Volkl One & Two is just INSANE as there is an additional 20% off at checkout.

 

That's $200 for brand new ski, or $280 with a new Tyrolia Attack 13 binding

 

- Andy

 

Yeah - I'm kind of kicking myself for buying them on demo, hard used, for more - except there's a convoluted story for how that came to be.

 

If you hadn't bought the Ones - you wouldn't have had the Twos?

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Originally Posted by ARL67 View Post
 

That deal at SkiEssentials on the Volkl One & Two is just INSANE as there is an additional 20% off at checkout.

 

That's $200 for brand new ski, or $280 with a new Tyrolia Attack 13 binding

 

- Andy

 

Yeah - I'm kind of kicking myself for buying them on demo, hard used, for more - except there's a convoluted story for how that came to be.

 

If you hadn't bought the Ones - you wouldn't have had the Twos?

 

Yup. I'm glad I went with the Twos and the longer length. But I am kind of sad they are so beat up. The Ones weren't as beat up, but it's my bad for going for the wrong ski first - and it was very nice of the shop to let me swap my purchase.

post #22 of 23

I ski Alta a couple days a week and can attest the JJ's are a blast to ski ,great ski in the tight trees, can throw them sideways at any and all times ,and handle pow very well.was suprised how well they ski on groomers as well - (i owned a pair of 2013 models)

 

this year im skiing Line Mr. Pollard Opus , which i absolutely love . mounted 2 cm back from the center -  funnest ski i have ever ridden. super light swing weight.  really playful ski.

 

I jump on my Armada Bubbas for the deepest days ( mounted further back on the recommended line for more float) - these skis have a much more surfy feel, which i love when the powder factory is cranking out the goods ( not so great on anything but super soft snow , but thats why we have a quiver)

post #23 of 23
Thread Starter 

I demoed the new Armada JJ 2.0. It was a terrific ski, and I plan to get it. It certainly instills confidence in soft snow; however, I couldn't get it to hold an edge of hard snow. This was expected based on reviews. It was exactly what I was looking for; not a charger, but it was easily maneuverable, and it dumped speed quickly. Good for the rocks and trees.

Thank you for everyone's help.

 

-Chris

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