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Enforcers: base grind & edge questions

post #1 of 13
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My new Enforcers came a bit cupped. The shop I bought them from offered to grind them, but they suggested they'd have to remove a lot of material to get a 100mm ski flat. I skied them, and they seem ok, but the snow was bumped-up EC packable, so it's hard to say.

So: to grind or not to grind?

Question 2 — I assume this ski came from the factory at 1/2. My SOP is 1/3, any reason not to change the bevel?
 

 
post #2 of 13
Ski may or may not be 1/2, dont assume anything. 1/3 will be fine. Depending on how concave the ski is, it may not be flattenable, but it should be flat for the majority, and with accurate bevels will ski fine.
post #3 of 13
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Originally Posted by lakespapa View Post
 

My new Enforcers came a bit cupped. The shop I bought them from offered to grind them, but they suggested they'd have to remove a lot of material to get a 100mm ski flat. I skied them, and they seem ok, but the snow was bumped-up EC packable, so it's hard to say.

So: to grind or not to grind?

Question 2 — I assume this ski came from the factory at 1/2. My SOP is 1/3, any reason not to change the bevel?
 

 


Cupped at tips and tails or for the whole length? 

post #4 of 13
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Originally Posted by lakespapa View Post
 

My new Enforcers came a bit cupped. The shop I bought them from offered to grind them, but they suggested they'd have to remove a lot of material to get a 100mm ski flat. I skied them, and they seem ok, but the snow was bumped-up EC packable, so it's hard to say.

So: to grind or not to grind?

Question 2 — I assume this ski came from the factory at 1/2. My SOP is 1/3, any reason not to change the bevel?
 

 


Cupped at tips and tails or for the whole length? 


On one, under foot. On the other, more tips/tails I believe.  When I get home, I'll get out the true bar to check that.

post #5 of 13

Under foot is not normal. You may want them sent back, don't let them stone grind them flat. I think you know that will take to much out of your new skis.

 

 

Where the tips and tails are wide, its not that uncommon. It will tune out over time.

 

Yes 1/3 is what you want.

post #6 of 13
Thread Starter 

The true bar view, with help from Ms. Lakespapa.  Fixable?

 

 

 

post #7 of 13
Second picture looks iffy, but maybe it's because it's not in focus. Others aren't bad enough IMO to worry about.
post #8 of 13
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Second picture looks iffy, but maybe it's because it's not in focus. Others aren't bad enough IMO to worry about.


If it was perfect center I would say that too, but it's on one side.  Not so good.

post #9 of 13

I mean no disrespect to the OP but this is a 100mm waist ski, I really think you have nothing to be concerned about based on your pictures.  Go ski the thing for where it was intended and worry less about the minor details of how flat it is.  

 

We tend to make wayyyy to big of a deal about how skis need to be perfectly flat and if they're not they'll ski horribly.  NO skis, not even production race skis, come from the factory perfectly flat.  Some are better than others but none of them come perfectly flat.

post #10 of 13
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You may be right.  On the other hand, I want my angles right.  A grind will be happening — not for complete flatness, but for 1/2" - 1" flatness along each edge.

post #11 of 13
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Originally Posted by lakespapa View Post
 

You may be right.  On the other hand, I want my angles right.  A grind will be happening — not for complete flatness, but for 1/2" - 1" flatness along each edge.

 

I can certainly appreciate wanting the base and side bevel angles to be consistent throughout the length of the ski but in all honesty, unless they are really messed up, on a powder ski, you'll likely not notice any difference in the way it skis.  Best advice I can give you is, if you do decide to get them ground flat and the edges reset, make sure you take them or send them to a shop that, truly, knows what they are doing or you very well could get a ski back that is worse than what it was when you took it in.  There are, unfortunately, MANY shops across the country that claim to be experts but in all actuality far from it.

 

If these are new skis and you have concerns about them, contact Nordica direct.  Nordica is part of the Tecnica Group and they have always been very good to deal with and will very possibly have you send them back, either through your dealer or on your own, and will replace them with a new set.  I think I've got a contact number for them if you would like to pursue that.  I'd definitely go that route before I'd spend my own money to have a new powder ski stone ground flat.

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Originally Posted by lakespapa View Post
 

You may be right.  On the other hand, I want my angles right.  A grind will be happening — not for complete flatness, but for 1/2" - 1" flatness along each edge.

 

I can certainly appreciate wanting the base and side bevel angles to be consistent throughout the length of the ski but in all honesty, unless they are really messed up, on a powder ski, you'll likely not notice any difference in the way it skis.  Best advice I can give you is, if you do decide to get them ground flat and the edges reset, make sure you take them or send them to a shop that, truly, knows what they are doing or you very well could get a ski back that is worse than what it was when you took it in.  There are, unfortunately, MANY shops across the country that claim to be experts but in all actuality far from it.

 

If these are new skis and you have concerns about them, contact Nordica direct.  Nordica is part of the Tecnica Group and they have always been very good to deal with and will very possibly have you send them back, either through your dealer or on your own, and will replace them with a new set.  I think I've got a contact number for them if you would like to pursue that.  I'd definitely go that route before I'd spend my own money to have a new powder ski stone ground flat.


I'd be interested in that number, if you've got it. I'd rather not mess my dealer up, considering how things have been.  

 

To clarify, I ski the ice coast, and although the ski won't be my daily driver, it'll need to carve cleanly, which the Enforcer should do well.

post #13 of 13
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Originally Posted by lakespapa View Post
 


I'd be interested in that number, if you've got it. I'd rather not mess my dealer up, considering how things have been.  

 

To clarify, I ski the ice coast, and although the ski won't be my daily driver, it'll need to carve cleanly, which the Enforcer should do well.

Or at least as well as a 100mm waisted ski, on the ice coast, can. ;)

 

I'll pm you that other information.

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