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help with trams!

post #1 of 13
Thread Starter 

bound for Jackson hole and even though i've skiied for over 30 years, i have developed a fear of Trams.  herded into a small box with 99 of my closest friends, suspended mid air for 9 minutes is enough to send me over the edge.  

any tips?

taking a chair lift up is not a viable alternative.....doesn't get you to the top of the mountain and i would like to stay with my group.

would welcome ideas/hints etc

post #2 of 13
Stay in the middle. Don't look outside. Talk to your friends. Pretend you are in a crowded bar. The moving and bumping of the car imagine you are in a subway

Good luck!

(I don't like heights either)
post #3 of 13

Xanax.

post #4 of 13

If you want to put some effort into it, I would say you can practice some meditation (aka self-hypnosis).

 

You can look online and find a few youtubes or mp3s or something that can go through mindfulness/meditation.

 

It's just closing your eyes and pretending or practicing some visual imagery like you're on a beach or whatever, and then some stuart smalley type affirmations or things you want to think about or problems you want to wash away.  It doesn't have to besome wacky or weird or new agey time thing.  It's basically preschooler imagination time..  

post #5 of 13

You should post this thread on TGR. Many Jackson Hole regulars there that would be happy to help you out. 

post #6 of 13
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You should post this thread on TGR. Many Jackson Hole regulars there that would be happy to help you out. 

 

Shirley you jest.  They'd eat him alive on TGR.

 

Look at somebody in the tram vs. out the windows.  Also, the first tower swings the tram pretty good.  It does NOT get worse as you go up.  The ride smooths out and the trip is pretty pleasant once everyone settles in and stops stepping on you.  If you have tunes in your helmet, you can crank them, but the JH tram plays pretty good music.

post #7 of 13
Is it the altitude or the claustrophobia?
post #8 of 13
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Originally Posted by JonD999 View Post

Stay in the middle. Don't look outside. Talk to your friends. Pretend you are in a crowded bar. The moving and bumping of the car imagine you are in a subway

Good luck!

(I don't like heights either)


I don't particularly like trams, but has nothing to do with heights.  For me, making sure I end up at a window looking out is the best approach.  So definitely depends on why someone is uncomfortable being squished in with a bunch of strangers holding stuff that can hit you.

post #9 of 13


Not to be a wet blanket or anything, but the only thing you miss by not going up the tram is Rendezvous Bowl (and Corbet's Couloir, I suppose, if that's really important to you).

 

There is an enormous amount of incredible skiing to be had at JHMR by skiing the chairs and the gondola.  More than almost anywhere in the country.  Would your friends REALLY not ski with you if you don't go up the tram???

 

Just one other suggestion if you absolutely must go against all your phobias and ride the tram...  pick a day when the visibility is essentially zero.  We get quite a few of those.  If you can't see anything out the windows, it'll feel like a subway ride.

post #10 of 13

Be glad you're not in a tram in France. Twice as many people in the same amount of space. You have to take your pack off.

post #11 of 13

Ah, remembering the good old days on the old Jackson Hole tram.  The ski patrol pushed the last of the skiers into the car, then got in themselves.  Sardines in the can had more room.  One woman fainted but didn't have room to fall.  Another time, someone in the middle said, "I feel sick."  A passage magically opened to get them to the door with its open window.  I'd get on and immediately hold my arms doubled up in front of my chest, hands up, elbows down, skis between.  More room to breathe.

 

JH bound, how about a couple of rides on Whistler's Peak to Peak gondola in the glass bottomed car?

 

Anyway, JH, the ideas you get here are worth less than the cost of the free phone call to a real psychologist. 

See anything here that might be helpful?

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_i_1_7?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=acrophobia&sprefix=acropho%2Cdigital-text%2C253

 

What we call a tram is more properly called a jig-back tram or jig-back ropeway, or reversible aerial tramway.  It has two cars that are supported by one or two wire track ropes and pulled by a wire haul rope.  (Yes, a steel cable is properly called a wire rope.)  The haul ropes connect each car, so as one car goes up, the other comes down.  The haul rope is pulled by the machinery at one end.  The newest versions have more resistance to swinging in the wind, because the track ropes are as far apart as possible.

http://www.doppelmayr.com/en/products/reversible-aerial-tramway/

post #12 of 13
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Originally Posted by marznc View Post
why someone is uncomfortable being squished in with a bunch of strangers holding stuff that can hit you.

Apologies for exacerbating your phobia.  When I was in Verbier last week i was next to last getting in on my side.  I was facing in, and the last gal couldn't seem to push in, so she turned around and literally did a WWF Body Slam, her back into mine, grumbling in French, like it was my fault that I couldn't move in.  Instead of my hope of at least having her muscular female ripcord back pressed into mine for the ride, she proceeded to turn her snowboard edge out and pushed it into my back the entire ride up the hill. 

 

But i do have a positive story to counter that.  On another ride on the same tram/cable car, a group of young women broke out in song in French, i think singing a Swiss/French folk song.  That was super sweet, they were singing with such enthusiasm like the angels they were, seemingly spontaneously just out of joy of being in the peaks on that blue bird day.  All riders had a big smile on their face, goosebumps were rising! Then to top it off, after they were done, another group immediately joined in with My Bonnie Lies Over The Ocean in English.  it was a sweet moment, i guess you had to be there!

 

I like riding trams and i'm surprised on ski trips when my partners don't like riding them.  I like hearing the snippets of conversation that surround me.  I like the depth of the people that are riding up with me.  So many interesting lives, so many stories.   For a few moments I'm close with the type of people that I would enjoy getting to know better, but rarely get a chance to meet here in Pennsylvania.

 

Most trams i remember do "jump" and swing a bit when they pass a tower.  I've often thought what it would be like if that box fell down fully loaded with me in it, but I don't let it bother me.  I accept it as a "cheap mild thrill". 

post #13 of 13
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Originally Posted by marznc View Post
 


I don't particularly like trams, but has nothing to do with heights.  For me, making sure I end up at a window looking out is the best approach.  So definitely depends on why someone is uncomfortable being squished in with a bunch of strangers holding stuff that can hit you.


Yep, look out the window and watch the horizon the whole time an don't look up or down.

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