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Skiing since I was 5.  Now 39.  I'm 6'1" and 190, Male.  I'm a level III but stay in bounds and avoid bumps / trees.  I enjoy steep terrain and with mild topo and like speed.  Powder is great but never happens for me.  I used to ski 2-5 days a year and hope to be 7-10 going forward. I want a do all ski but expect to be front side on the steep stuff.   Vail / BC will get most of my days.  I was in Jackson Hole last week and demoed the Sin 7.  They gave me a 172 which I thought was odd.  It was a bit bouncy at speed but overall I enjoyed it.  And no I left before they got the 20" last Sat and I just skied the steep blacks in bounds.  Again I want a do all ski and expect most my time to be front side groomers and steep blacks.  I have Dalbello Panterra 100 boots if they means anything in picking a ski.  I like speed.  I am taking lessons again and I don't ski parallel boots touching.

 

I'll be in V/BC next weekend.  I'll demo again and hopefully buy. Fire away.  I appreciate the input.

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Nordica Enforcer S, 185cm
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Originally Posted by stroud23 View Post
 

Skiing since I was 5.  Now 39.  I'm 6'1" and 190, Male.  I'm a level III but stay in bounds and avoid bumps / trees.  I enjoy steep terrain and with mild topo and like speed.  Powder is great but never happens for me.  I used to ski 2-5 days a year and hope to be 7-10 going forward. I want a do all ski but expect to be front side on the steep stuff.   Vail / BC will get most of my days.  I was in Jackson Hole last week and demoed the Sin 7.  They gave me a 172 which I thought was odd.  It was a bit bouncy at speed but overall I enjoyed it.  And no I left before they got the 20" last Sat and I just skied the steep blacks in bounds.  Again I want a do all ski and expect most my time to be front side groomers and steep blacks.  I have Dalbello Panterra 100 boots if they means anything in picking a ski.  I like speed.  I am taking lessons again and I don't ski parallel boots touching.

 

I'll be in V/BC next weekend.  I'll demo again and hopefully buy. Fire away.  I appreciate the input.


Skiing in most of the Advanced or steeper terrain in Vail and Beaver Creek generally means dealing with bumps and if you like softer snow, trees. Variable snow conditions are the norm with mainly chowder even on a powder day and piles of snow and mixed conditions due to the sheer number of people tearing up the slopes on a daily basis. For a resort Ski I recommend (given your size) a substantial ski that is still easy to ski and is able to turn quickly if needed. The Nordica Patron 185 would be at the top of my list along with the Enforcer in a similar size or similar skis in other brands (there are plenty of choices). I tried the Sin and Soul 7's and the Souls are the better ones of the two but still are quite bad compared to a ski like the Patron. The tips of the Rossis chatter like crazy in typical resort pistes and just do not deal with going faster well. Kinda hairy. The are good for going slow and also in pristine powder (something never really available in bounds). I would test the Helldorado as well and several other Skis that are in that range of width (105-115), turning radius (17~21m) and also design (rocker-camber-rocker with twin tips if possible). For the groomers almost any ski works well if you do your part. It is for the steeper and roughed up terrain (VERY common at Vail/BC) that you need some really good skis. 

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Just back from Vail and Steamboat; trees and bumps for sure at former, but Vail right now is all about soft groomers in front and the big bowls with layers of few " fresh over settled. Some bumps, of course, like starting 2/3 down Ghengis Khan, but soft and cut up into piles, not swallow compact car bumps. OTOH, no bottomless fresh, and touches of scrapped off by afternoon on the frontside. And keep in mind that this a good year for CO; not always this nice.

 

That said, you're too big for a Sin 7. A Patron would be nice for most purposes as long as the snow stays fresh and soft.

 

OTOH, you are asking for a daily driver do-all, with an emphasis on groomers and steeps. So I am with mtcyclist: The much ballyhooed Enforcer, for sure, at your size. Saw many on the slopes. Or also take a look at the Ranger 98 (good luck finding it), or the Rossi E100 if you like a touch damper ride. 

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Thank you all for the replies and help.  I'm going to demo the Enforcer next weekend.  Beyond what are the qualities of the Ranger 98?  And MuchosPixels would you list Enforcer, Patron, Helldorado in this order?  I only ask if I come across a screaming deal somewhere on one of these skis.

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The Enforcer is 100mm, Patron and Helldo are 113mm.  Helldo has two sheets of Titanal, Patron has none, Enforcer has one.  The flex patterns are all very different.  If you want a one ski quiver, Enforcer is the way to go  Neither the Patron nor the Helldo are much fun on a hard groomer.

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The Enforcer is 100mm, Patron and Helldo are 113mm.  Helldo has two sheets of Titanal, Patron has none, Enforcer has one.  The flex patterns are all very different.  If you want a one ski quiver, Enforcer is the way to go  Neither the Patron nor the Helldo are much fun on a hard groomer.

 

The Patron did not feel wide at all on the groomers and was very easy to turn and put on edge and held on steep slopes. I have used it on days where it has not snowed in a few days and the hill is skied off. Worked great. IMHO one of the best one ski quiver skis for western resort skiing for an advanced skier in my size range. The Heldorado might be too heavy though for an intermediate/low advanced but I found the Patron dead easy to turn. The Enforcer might be the best compromise but generally I prefer wider skis for some reason. Either way it is a ski one must at least try. Nordica is making some awesome skis. There are other options obviously. I own the Moment Deathwish, made in the USA, and it is a superb one ski quiver for Colorado Resort skiing. Keep in mind I am 6-2 and 180 and an advanced skier but I do not like to ski very fast and prefer controlled medium speeds to all out blasting. 

 

The width of the ski is only one design parameter of many and most people shy away from some wider designs when in fact they would be better off on them. I was one of those people. Always on 98mm or narrower skis though the wider ones were only good in powder. I was very wrong. 

 

As an example I also tried the well reviewed Atomic Vantage 90 CTi and did not like them at all. Found the tips too light and soft? (a bit chattery) and the rear of the ski a bit too stiff, odd combination so it was neither great in the steep moguls or trees or the steep slopes above treeline. On intermediate groomers it was great but I look for more versatility in a ski. 

 

I felt the Patron (and even the Deathwish) is a MUCH better Soul 7 type ski. Easy to turn and versatile like the Soul but handles crud and variable WORLDS better also hold a better edge on the steeps. 

 

Regarding the order I think the Enforcer and the Patron are up there, the Heldorado I would not buy unless you try first. If you like skis that are stable but offer some pop and are easy to turn (and turn in a variety of ways and radii) the Enforcer and the Patron should do great. Again, there are other options as usual it is best that you try first. 

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The Patron is a great ski, but for a guy who wants a "do all ski", and for whom "powder never happens" I would not choose any 113 mm ski.

 

I'd say +1 on Gerry's Enforcer 100 recommendation, and if you like Nordicas (admitted fan-boy here) I'd say +2 on the new Enforcer 93.  Personally, I would never go wider than that if this will be your only ski.

 

Plenty of other brands out there, but Nordica does a rare and wonderful thing in putting carving DNA into skis that is also friendly in soft snow.  I find it irresistible. Strong second place to Fischer.

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The Patron did not feel wide at all on the groomers and was very easy to turn and put on edge and held on steep slopes. I have used it on days where it has not snowed in a few days and the hill is skied off. Worked great. IMHO one of the best one ski quiver skis for western resort skiing for an advanced skier in my size range. The Heldorado might be too heavy though for an intermediate/low advanced but I found the Patron dead easy to turn. The Enforcer might be the best compromise but generally I prefer wider skis for some reason. Either way it is a ski one must at least try. Nordica is making some awesome skis. There are other options obviously. I own the Moment Deathwish, made in the USA, and it is a superb one ski quiver for Colorado Resort skiing. Keep in mind I am 6-2 and 180 and an advanced skier but I do not like to ski very fast and prefer controlled medium speeds to all out blasting.

 

The width of the ski is only one design parameter of many and most people shy away from some wider designs when in fact they would be better off on them. I was one of those people. Always on 98mm or narrower skis though the wider ones were only good in powder. I was very wrong.

 

As an example I also tried the well reviewed Atomic Vantage 90 CTi and did not like them at all. Found the tips too light and soft? (a bit chattery) and the rear of the ski a bit too stiff, odd combination so it was neither great in the steep moguls or trees or the steep slopes above treeline. On intermediate groomers it was great but I look for more versatility in a ski.

 

I felt the Patron (and even the Deathwish) is a MUCH better Soul 7 type ski. Easy to turn and versatile like the Soul but handles crud and variable WORLDS better also hold a better edge on the steeps.

 

Regarding the order I think the Enforcer and the Patron are up there, the Heldorado I would not buy unless you try first. If you like skis that are stable but offer some pop and are easy to turn (and turn in a variety of ways and radii) the Enforcer and the Patron should do great. Again, there are other options as usual it is best that you try first.

Agreed, I ski a Patron and it grooms very well. New snow has been falling while I'm working so have had that Patron on groomers all season. I ski GS turns most of the time, so they work great for me. Bumps took some getting used to. I have concluded that the timing of turn initiation changed somewhat with the early rise in the tip, but I have it worked out now. Great all around ski. Having a ton of fun, even though I am sick of skiing groomers. 

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