Originally Posted by freeski919
Just no. When you have instructors who are ex-racers who agree that the club kids are being a bunch of dinks, its not envy. And I even get that a crowd of tween and teen kids is going to be dumb and do reckless stuff. I know, I have a group of pretty skilled tweens every weekend myself. The core issue to the behavior of some race teams was addressed above. It's the coaching. The coaches that are heading up groups are kids that barely finished the program a couple years ago themselves. They still have the entitled mentality they had when they were on the team, and they perpetuate it to their racers. Its a vicious cycle. When my kids do something rude or inconsiderate (which they absolutely do), I give them the business on the next lift ride, or right then and there. If it's really bad, they sit out a run or two. If it's REALLY bad, they might get to go sit with the supervisor til mom and dad gets there (hasn't happened in my group, but has happened in another this season). Meanwhile I see racers with a coach do stupid, reckless things with their coach watching, and the coach doesn't do squat. In fact, the coach thinks its just fine.
So maybe as a racer, coach, and race director who states the problem is that your kids are just too good for everyone else, the problem is really... you.
OK it's all my fault, I'll take the blame.......
I have sat down with people to listen to frustrations over the years with kids. I've never had a kid that is a year or two out of a race program as a coach or assistant coach in any program I have been involved with. I teach clinics every year at 5 different area's, none of the programs at those areas or programs from neighboring areas have coaches such as you have described. Maybe in a Devo program, which I have never been involved with, you get those types of coaches.
I've seen kids in programs that I don't agree with the behavior.
I will tell you, the person that tipped me off about this thread, who complained on here, admitted to me on the phone today (we are old friends) that his frustrations with the race team started about the same time his 12 year old daughter and her friends were found out that they liked some boys on the team. This is not the first time I have heard that from a frustrated parent, but this was the first time from a friend.
I did not say the kids were too good, but a lot of Adults can't handle the fact that kids ski better than they do, or have nicer equipment, and that jealousy that is what I said. I also said that I wasn't saying any or all of the complaints on here weren't justified.
All I was saying was that maybe we need to see if jealousy has any root in this, after all, they say that is the root of all evil and can have profound effects on how we as humans perceive others.
Sorry Everyone, I ruined it for everybody, and planted the bad seeds 35 years ago and now you all have to put up with a bunch of snot nosed brats that think they are entitled to everything, and skiing would be so much better if I never would have started myself 40 plus years ago.
Again I truly apologize for being such a detriment to the skiing society, heck society as a whole.
OK done with my over dramatic reaction to being completely mis-quoted and taken out of context, but I had it coming, and even started the post with the statement of what I knew I was getting into.