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post #1 of 19
Thread Starter 

The butt of my eVent ski pants are wearing out and get damp way too easy.  They have lasted about ten years, so no complaints.  I am looking for some new pants, and I am partial to gore tex.  While more expensive than some of the other stuff, at least I know what I am getting.  I have a gore tex shell jacket and I have found it to be more water resistant then the eVent pants.  

 

Question is, are all gore tex pants basically the same, or is Arcteryx for example, light years better than Marker's gore tex offerings?  Let's just say the price difference between the two is significant.  With that said, I will pay extra to keep my ass dry, if there is a difference.  Pete 

post #2 of 19
My understanding of the technology is that eVent is just as waterproof as goretex. However goretex may have higher quality control during manufacturing and their warranty is top notch as well as the high end companies that use goretex in their products. Bottom line is that I do not think there is anything intrinsically worse about eVent. Just that goretex is used by high end companies and they have high end warranties and QA
post #3 of 19

More important is the difference between the different models of Goretex--2 layer, 3 layer, Pro, Active, Pro, Paclite. Getting more complicated all the time. And personally I find a separate mesh lining to improve both warmth and breathability a lot. I just got a pair of Patagonia Powder Bowl pants which are the best ski pants I have had--2 layer Goretex with mesh lining, the right pockets and zippers. The right diameter cuff. They do fit quite long however. Men's large has a 34in inseam.

post #4 of 19

say you pick goretex 2L  

The fabric is going to be the same, the quality is going to be the same-or you're covered by the warranty anyway for quality flaws.  

So you need to look more for the features and fit that works for you as the decision factor.  

Northface nfz pants small-short for me btw .  The biggest decision point was the fit, 2nd point was the features, and not the brand- I'm indifferent to slightly negative on TNF as a brand, and tried on a bunch of pants.

post #5 of 19
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Originally Posted by raytseng View Post
 

say you pick goretex 2L  

The fabric is going to be the same, the quality is going to be the same-or you're covered by the warranty anyway for quality flaws.  

 

Major seam separation or internal lining tears might be covered but there are very few warranties that will cover such things as stitching pullout, snap or hook or zipper deformation, velcro clogging  after 25+ days of use.  

post #6 of 19
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Originally Posted by oldgoat View Post
 

More important is the difference between the different models of Goretex--2 layer, 3 layer, Pro, Active, Pro, Paclite. Getting more complicated all the time. And personally I find a separate mesh lining to improve both warmth and breathability a lot. I just got a pair of Patagonia Powder Bowl pants which are the best ski pants I have had--2 layer Goretex with mesh lining, the right pockets and zippers. The right diameter cuff. They do fit quite long however. Men's large has a 34in inseam.

 

 I just bought the same pair of Patagonia pants .  They are the best  and driest  pants I've ever owned .
 

post #7 of 19
Thread Starter 

I will keep an eye out for the Powder Bowls.  Probably will be August when I buy them :)  

post #8 of 19
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Originally Posted by cantunamunch View Post

Major seam separation or internal lining tears might be covered but there are very few warranties that will cover such things as stitching pullout, snap or hook or zipper deformation, velcro clogging  after 25+ days of use.  
Hmm can you give an example such a brand that offers a goretex (tm) 2L where that wouldn't be covered?
I'm thinking yea that might be a possibility in theory, but in practice there's no brand like that with goretex and a mediocre warranty
I will also throw out the caveat though if you buy grey market or overstock you may lose the warranty. So if you find a deal it might not be a good deal
post #9 of 19
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Originally Posted by peterk123 View Post

I will keep an eye out for the Powder Bowls.  Probably will be August when I buy them smile.gif  
Be careful with things like patagonia. Consider it like gear. They may sell out of a production run of pants esp if you need a short or long size. Especially if you need it midseason.

There will be more coming in next years run but don't expect that automatically it'll be cheaper in august. That'll only be if they aren't all gone
post #10 of 19
Patagonia.com sale starts in two days.
post #11 of 19

I have had great service out of TNF gear. they have a great life time warranty. I have sent back items for free repairs a number of times over the last 20 years or more. Shop around on line. you can find what you want.

 

I will say my new TNF 3L shell jacket for $500 is not as warm as TNF jacket it replaced. The 6 year old jacket had loose layers where to new one is all in one layer.

 

Here's the new jacket, https://www.thenorthface.com/shop/mens-jackets-vests/mens-fuseform-brigandine-3l-jacket-cnx7?variationId=A8M my jacket is yellow with orange zippers.

 

here's the new pants.https://www.thenorthface.com/shop/mens-activities-skiing/mens-freedom-insulated-pants-cpm2?variationId=JA8

 

I have been wearing the pants the past 5 ski day's. They keep my legs nice and warm. Fit will over 200wt fleece pants with room to spare.

 

Bought them from Backcountry.com had been looking at them for a couple day's, when they sent me a 20% coupon...damn them...I couldn't pass that up...damn marketing people.


Edited by Max Capacity - 1/27/16 at 4:09am
post #12 of 19

I have had a pair of Patagonia Powder Bowl Pants for the past 4 years, going into my 5 year. I beat the hell out of my gear and these pants are the best piece of ski clothing I have. Never leak, never a tear, though this year a zipper on one of the pockets failed. I plan to send them in for repair at the end of the season. At the time it was hard dropping the coin for a pair of ski pants, in he end it was a great buy.

post #13 of 19

 

man, that TNF jacket is nice!

 

To the OP, if you look around, you can get the Mountain Hardwear Returnia pant for around $90 or less, very nice pants and their Dragon Back jacket for around $160 which is a nice DryQ Core shell as well.

post #14 of 19
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man, that TNF jacket is nice!

 

To the OP, if you look around, you can get the Mountain Hardwear Returnia pant for around $90 or less, very nice pants and their Dragon Back jacket for around $160 which is a nice DryQ Core shell as well.


Thanks, there is a different texture to the fabric as you look over the jacket. Someone else noticed that and pointed it out to me. I guess my eye's are to old to notice that.

 

There are some nice jackets out there. I can't stress enough that you need to go out and shop and try things on. I normally don't like to buy outer layers on line, but this TNF jacket was everything I wanted. It's like they made it just for me. I have been wearing yellow for many years with a yellow helmet. I spent most of the summer looking on line for this jacket. Then in early Oct it popped up in the Winter line of TNF. Like I said after clicking on it a few times, Backcountry sent the coupon...just like the pants. I see they no longer have it in yellow.

post #15 of 19
Goes again to my point that this is gear and sells out. you cant always just wait for a spring summer or overstock last seasons sale, you won't see every model, esp. if you are hard to fit and youre looking for a specific upgrade from what you have and not just upgrading from nothing.
post #16 of 19

Check out 686 smarty pants . Been using for 6 years now.loving it .

post #17 of 19
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Originally Posted by raytseng View Post


Be careful with things like patagonia. Consider it like gear. They may sell out of a production run of pants esp if you need a short or long size. Especially if you need it midseason.

There will be more coming in next years run but don't expect that automatically it'll be cheaper in august. That'll only be if they aren't all gone


Yep - certainly true of Patagonia . . . plenty of sales of end-of-stock/line stuff, but usually the odd colors and outlier sizes (or the normal sizes - M/L/XL sell out first on overstock).  You can find good deals, but it's totally hit or miss.

post #18 of 19

Note OP thread is a season stale...

 

Bought a pair of these, Men’s Ridge to Run II Pant, in Short/Short (inseam) Delta (tan), last night on sale at Sports Basement for $96:

 

http://www.columbia.com/mens-ridge-to-run-ii-pant-SM8386.html?dwvar_SM8386_variationColor=613#start=1

 

For moderate ski weather had been wearing a similar gray Sessions brand cargo pant model the last decade that have not been waterproof the last few years but as a fast turning mogul skier liked how light and unencumbered with movement they felt.  I do have heavier more robust ski insulated pants for stormy day skiing fresh but those impede movement in bumps.  So for last 3 years have been looking for something similar to the Sessions model but found nothing though part of my problem is my short length inseam size is often not available and never buy any pants in black or bright colors haha.   Note I am 66" 140#.  And from decades experience don't trust anything I cannot actually try on because sometime pants that look fine can unpleasantly impede knee movement maybe just the way they hang against one's leg.   Also this is a shell type model and NOT an insulated ski pant because I much prefer the flexibility of layering.

 

When I tried them on in the ski shop last night I knew I had finally found a replacement because I could readily bend and turn about without any impeding inside the pant.  Think part of that is because the fabric inside is this slippery silvered Omni-Heat fabric while below the knee is a smooth nylon internal leg gator.  Four pockets are velcro plus zippers that is important to this person to prevent losing items that may otherwise fall out into deep fresh snow only squirrels will find in the spring.  The two small cargo pockets are just velcro and nicely more to the side that reduces binding up against the knee versus the more common models that put them in front.  

 

Am pretty certain there are not going to be any unforeseen issues upon actual use with the rest of the features in part because the Columbia Sportswear brand has been around a long time now and knows how to design solid foul weather winter garments.  And for the long feature list one would normally expect at least double the price.

 

Features:
    Omni-Heat thermal reflective
    Omni-Tech waterproof/breathable fully seam sealed
    Leg venting
    Adjustable waist tabs
    Internal leg gaiter
    Reinforced cuff guard
    Articulated knees
    Zippered hand pockets
    Modern classic fit
    Imported
Fabric:
    Omni-Tech Shell
    100% nylon Legacy twill
    Omni-Heat Lining
    100% polyester Thermal Reflective
Omni-Heat™ Reflective
Thermal Reflective Warmth
Omni-Tech™
Waterproof. Breathable. Guaranteed.

 

David


Edited by dave_SSS - 12/15/16 at 10:37am
post #19 of 19

After 3 weeks laying low due to a medical issue, got back on the slopes Monday skiing 17 runs and 18k feet wearing for the first time the Columbia Men’s Ridge to Run II Pants per post above.    As expected the pants were excellent.  Sunny day with mid 20F temps.  Spent a lot of my time fast turning lines in mogul fields and did not have any issues with the fabric or pant shape resisting my rapid leg turning motions with friction.  Also particularly liked the nicely strong elastic at the bottom of the snow skirt.  The pant width is optimal, not too wide nor too narrow on these good looking pants (mine tan hue).   Despite the un-insulated thin fabric with mid 20F and lower temps and not wearing any thermal pant layer underneath, was comfortable all day that may have had to do with the reflective silver inner layer and well isolated inner pant compartment.   With temperatures below 20F as a thin person might add a thermal layer. 

 

David

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