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Think you can carve this?

post #1 of 29
Thread Starter 

They have the Streif all ready for the downhill today.

Injected much?

Of course they are in the air here.

post #2 of 29
Nice shot! The insanity.
Are you there?
post #3 of 29

7 degree side edge!  No problemo!  Except for the side hill and 60-90 MPH :D 

post #4 of 29
You think they run that sharp an edge for downhill? I'd be surprised.
As Bode said at Sochi, you want as dull an edge as possible. But we should talk to his tuner because he hasn't tuned a ski since high school.
post #5 of 29
Thread Starter 


I wish, I'd love to see that downhill.

This is the closest I will come.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2008/10/31/sports/playmagazine/20081031_skiing_graphics.html?ref=sports&_r=0

 

I have a friend who has skied there and he says the Mausfall is too steep to sideslip.

So he let them run.

He was on the American Interski team so he can turn them pretty well.

post #6 of 29
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Originally Posted by Atomicman View Post
 

7 degree side edge! 

seriously? do they go up that high?

post #7 of 29

Anyone know how to watch this race online come this weekend?

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post #9 of 29
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Originally Posted by dakine View Post

They have the Streif all ready for the downhill today.
Injected much?
Of course they are in the air here.

post #10 of 29
HOLY SH--- !!
post #11 of 29

GoPro of the course

 

 

post #12 of 29

T. J... I mean Doug Coombs could have skied/carved it...  better yet hop turned down it..

 

 

post #13 of 29

Doesn't really look any different than the Ontario hills I ski regularly right now.  except that it's probably steeper and has more fluff on it, doesn't have cat tracks and groomer ridges, and big chunks of frozen crap off the sides..  and beginners and snowboarders sitting all over the hill..  skiing here sucks..  I should really move.

post #14 of 29
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Doesn't really look any different than the Ontario hills I ski regularly right now.  except that it's probably steeper and has more fluff on it, doesn't have cat tracks and groomer ridges, and big chunks of frozen crap off the sides..  and beginners and snowboarders sitting all over the hill..  skiing here sucks..  I should really move.

I ski Ontario and Austria, trust me, it's a lot different.
post #15 of 29
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Originally Posted by WheatKing View Post
 

Doesn't really look any different than the Ontario hills I ski regularly right now. 

it looks... bigger...

 

:cool 


Edited by razie - 1/21/16 at 3:02pm
post #16 of 29
I could ski this switch on my twin tips...;-)
post #17 of 29

All a fellow (or gal) needs to ski that, is full rocker and anything over 115 underfoot.  You know,  "A modern ski".  They do everything better!

 

At least that's what I read ......;-)

post #18 of 29

:drool  No problem.  0.5 2 tune would work fine provided it's on a long radius  stable ski, and someone is making sure there are no surprises beyond that last ridge/turn.

post #19 of 29

That's not a ski slope. That's an ice skating rink where the foundation collapsed and it tipped on its side...

post #20 of 29
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Originally Posted by Tog View Post

You think they run that sharp an edge for downhill? I'd be surprised.
As Bode said at Sochi, you want as dull an edge as possible. But we should talk to his tuner because he hasn't tuned a ski since high school.

NO But maybe a 4 side edge on that. They usually feather the base bevel on outside edge of each tip. And generally speaking I believe 1 degree base bevel. Although I heard Bill Johnson used a 4 or 5 degree base bevel when he won the Gold Medal, but was a very flat very gliding intensive course.

post #21 of 29

Most of guys are actually running 3 degrees there. In reality it wasn't really that bad as this looked like ;) I easily managed to get down here with whole backpack of photo stuff and no poles... and not slipping on side :D But yes, I would never try this, even if it would be softer, with anything but race skis :D This photo looks waaay worse then it really was. Snow was relatively grippy. It was icy on some places, but grip was still super good. But it was helluva bumpy.

post #22 of 29
Primoz, what's the degree pitch of that slope?
post #23 of 29
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Most of guys are actually running 3 degrees there. In reality it wasn't really that bad as this looked like ;) I easily managed to get down here with whole backpack of photo stuff and no poles... and not slipping on side :D But yes, I would never try this, even if it would be softer, with anything but race skis :D This photo looks waaay worse then it really was. Snow was relatively grippy. It was icy on some places, but grip was still super good. But it was helluva bumpy.


Yeah but you have L33t SkillZ!!  :D

post #24 of 29
The downhill race was a disaster. Stopped after racer 30. Visibility issues, but 3 crashes at nearly the same spot. All awful. 2 Austrians and Svindal who tore acl. Seemed like a rough patch or soft snow right at a small compression. Another Austrian crashed maybe 5 yards from finish and went over line with deployed airbag. Possible snow issue near finish?
Primoz, were you there? What's the talk about the course? Is it a national Austrian crisis?
Check out crashes:
http://youtu.be/_Z0WZKXniDU
post #25 of 29

It's been above zero for quite some time there.  And little snow.  Then recently they got some snow finally and some cold.  I think it's usually a bumpy course without a lot of snow..and it was probably not the best prepared.

post #26 of 29

Scott43 it was actually way under zero :) During night it was around -13, -14c and during day it was way under zero too (around -3, -4c), except for yesterday's slalom when it got warmer. Course is normally made bumpy, but this year it was extremely bumpy. It was Trinkl's decision to make it more icy and bumpy, so it would look more spectacular, but for most of Saturday's crashes, this wasn't really the reason. I was up on Hausbergkante shooting that standard Kitzbuehel shoot, so I actually saw all the crashes (no photos of them as I had just short lens on), and I saw how the light was. Visibility was actually pretty good, but it was completely flat light. And corner under Hausbergkante into traverse is really bad in good conditions already, but then you add flat light, some extra bumps and most important, hole which was left there from previous day's super-g, and was pretty much right on ideal line, and you get the end result... 2 torn ACL (Svindal and Streitberger) and one concussion (Reichelt).

There was not that much of discussion yet, as I have feeling that making Kitzbuehel myth is more important then top riders getting injured (this might actually even help with creating more of a legend), but considering Austria lost 4 of their DH guys just during this weekend (7 through whole season, which literalily erases their DH team), I would say there will be some consequences.

PS: I was pretty sure they will really do this what they did, as with rule that only 50% of racers need to start to have legal race, it was clear what's the intention, and it might be good idea to stop it, but you can't get rid of feeling, that Casse was actually robbed of lifetime success (he was doing super good through whole week but was suppose to be starting with no. 45) the way they handled this race. But again, you really get feeling Kitzbuehel is bigger then any racer or fair play... it's just way too much money involved that such "small" things would matter.

post #27 of 29
Well the US broadcast or replay if one could find it on the terrible NBC Sports Live Extra app was not too impressed with the course. I think it's a shame they made it too bumpy or whatever they did.

How about this thing?
http://youtu.be/T7tKSqVENGc
post #28 of 29

@primoz yeah, that's why my bro said..it's been 10C for a month then finally last week it got cold for a bit and they got some snow, even down in the lower areas where they live.  I know every year there is a "conversation" about why they make it so bumpy, especially in the lower half on that long sidehill traverse before the zielschuss.  I dunno if it was intentional (as seems to be the implication by the racers every year) or if it's just been such bad snow year they didn't have much to work with? 

post #29 of 29
Thread Starter 

I have a windsurfing friend in Kitz who passed on some info.

He is an ex German National Team skier and a winner of the Galzig Cup masters series.

Course preparation at the Strief is under the direction of the Kitzbuehel Ski Club under the direction of Marcus Wallner.

Trinkl does not have a direct say in the course prep.

The Skiclub Kitzbuehel is most interested in nourishing the legend of the Streif.

It is their job to make the course the nastiest in the world and it is the racers job to ski it.

If a racer is too aggressive they go to the hospital.

Everybody that races knows there is a time to throttle back and judging that is really hard.

 

The money side is interesting.

About 90,000 visitors paid 30 Euro to watch.

Red Bull paid 500000 Euros to sponsor.

No ski race in the US comes anywhere near that cash flow.

No wonder Skiclub Kitzbuehel wants to maintain the legend of the monster that eats skiers.

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