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post #31 of 50
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Originally Posted by dawgcatching View Post
 

Always worth checking the factory tune!  

 

With that said, I have been skiing the Stockli SC the past few days, mostly off piste and in junk snow. Also some blue ice.  Checked the tune, and it is DIALED. Perfect at the tips and tail, just the right amount of de-tuning above the contact point, perfectly flat.  If I re-tuned it on a top-end Wintesteiger machine, I could possibly get it a little better, but it was at least 95% of the way there out of the wrapper.  Most skis are 50-70%.

 

Scott


My AX's were done on a Wintestegier. What is the tune on that Scott? 1/2? Also I'm thinking of picking up a pair of the SC's in a 170. I'm 6' 200lb, Want to use it as an SL. Think that 177 would be a beast.

post #32 of 50
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My AX's were done on a Wintestegier. What is the tune on that Scott? 1/2? Also I'm thinking of picking up a pair of the SC's in a 170. I'm 6' 200lb, Want to use it as an SL. Think that 177 would be a beast.

 

The SC I had in here was 1/1 throughout.  It was perfect for the all-mountain blend of skiing I am doing on it. The SC in 170cm would be perfect for a carver at your size. I use the 170cm at 5 foot 9, 155cm, as my all-mountain frontside ride.  

 

They have last year's graphic on sale right now, could order you a pair for $650 in 170 (163 also available).  I have mine mounted with an Attack 13 demo, which gives me a bit of rise and keeps the flex comfortable for all-mountain skiing. If I were going with it as a carver, I might grab a Head RX plate for it, stiffen it up a bit. 


Edited by dawgcatching - 3/3/16 at 12:57pm
post #33 of 50
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The SC I had in here was 1/1 throughout.  It was perfect for the all-mountain blend of skiing I am doing on it. The SC in 170cm would be perfect for a carver at your size. I use the 170cm at 5 foot 9, 155cm, as my all-mountain frontside ride.  

 

They have last year's graphic on sale right now, could order you a pair for $650 in 170 (163 also available).  I have mine mounted with an Attack 13 demo, which gives me a bit of rise and keeps the flex comfortable for all-mountain skiing. If I were going with it as a carver, I might grab a Head RX plate for it, stiffen it up a bit. 


Was going to use the Marker piston plate. Going to pull the bindings of the AX's and put the piston plate on those as well.

post #34 of 50
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Was going to use the Marker piston plate. Going to pull the bindings of the AX's and put the piston plate on those as well.

 

That's a sweet setup, no doubt!

post #35 of 50
I rented a pair of the Stockli Laser AX 175cm for a week in Lech Austria this past season (I'm 6'2" 173lbs ex racer). I thought it was an astonishingly great ski. I tend to like stiff, grippy, athletic, precise, racy skis and this fit the bill - it railed and ripped like a top GS race ski. But what was amazing was its versatility - it was also fun skiing at lower speeds with my kids, and the tip rocker gave it great performance in mixed spring conditions including some fresh snow, corn, slush, bumps, everything. It was also more versatile on turn shapes than most race skis which lock you into a particular arc. The AX could do either whippy SL turns or big GS arcs with ease. Finally it had that unflappable, silky smooth, confidence inspiring Stockli feel. For an advanced to expert skier this is a ski that can take any conditions or terrain on the front side, rip it, and put a big smile on your face. Am considering buying a pair for this season, though the price tag is a big gulp. Also looking at the VolKl Code Speedwall UVO skis which have a similar profile. If anyone has skied both, any comparison appreciated.
post #36 of 50

Volkl technical and dutiful by comparison. AX is an amazing thing that will have you wondering how it can do so many things even as you rip down hill. 

post #37 of 50
The AX has good torsional stiffness and holds an edge well. Longitudinally it's fairly soft. Effortless to ski at any speed. For fast cruising a GS race ski is better, and for hard energetic turning an SL race ski is better............ but for allaround easy fun skiing this beats everything else I have. Lifter plates are a good idea. My 175's use Head race plates (black/green) with Fischer bindings.
post #38 of 50

Just pulled the trigger on a pair of '17 Laser AX's in 175. Liked the color:bs:

post #39 of 50

I've been agonizing about whether to put plates on my 17 Laser AX (175), with FreeFlex EVO 14s (21 mm standing height). I was going to put some 9 mm plates, then gave up.  What do you think of your current setup (Head race plates, I am assuming the 14 mm RDX)? Would you do it again without plates? I ski in the West (PNW, Whistler, some trips to PC, Colorado, Big Sky).

 

Thanks!

post #40 of 50

I just skied my newly mounted 2016 Stockli Laser AX skis and I was blown away by them.  We had icy hard pack conditions in western Mass this past weekend and these guys didn't slide once when I went over ice.  They just grabbed and after about 25 feet I knew I loved them and a third of the way down the run I had complete confidence in their ability to get down any trail.  I went down every open trail at Butternut, even the ones I knew would be hairy due to ice and these skis were amazing.  They turn on a dime and are just so capable and most importantly FUN!!!!!!!!! I have a new daily driver.  I wasn't in the market for one since my Atomic Redster XTI's are more than capable but I came upon these stocklis and they are amazing. The Redsters are 70 underfoot and the Stockli's are 78 underfoot so certainly room for both in my quiver.  I didn't want to stop skiing this past weekend, even though my nose was frozen.  I now get what all the talk is about Stockli, wow, wow, wow.  

post #41 of 50
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Originally Posted by surfsnowgirl View Post
 

I just skied my newly mounted 2016 Stockli Laser AX skis and I was blown away by them.  We had icy hard pack conditions in western Mass this past weekend and these guys didn't slide once when I went over ice.  They just grabbed and after about 25 feet I knew I loved them and a third of the way down the run I had complete confidence in their ability to get down any trail.  I went down every open trail at Butternut, even the ones I knew would be hairy due to ice and these skis were amazing.  They turn on a dime and are just so capable and most importantly FUN!!!!!!!!! I have a new daily driver.  I wasn't in the market for one since my Atomic Redster XTI's are more than capable but I came upon these stocklis and they are amazing. The Redsters are 70 underfoot and the Stockli's are 78 underfoot so certainly room for both in my quiver.  I didn't want to stop skiing this past weekend, even though my nose was frozen.  I now get what all the talk is about Stockli, wow, wow, wow.  

Just how I feel about my 2016 Laser AX.  So capable; so quick; so stable.  Wait 'til you get them in some soft snow ... the tips and tales are special.

post #42 of 50
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Originally Posted by juanito View Post
 

Just how I feel about my 2016 Laser AX.  So capable; so quick; so stable.  Wait 'til you get them in some soft snow ... the tips and tales are special.

Keep an eye on those tails, mine just started to delaminate,

 

post #43 of 50
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Keep an eye on those tails, mine just started to delaminate,

 

 

 

That's an unpleasant surprise.  Made me check mine and they are fine.   Have your skis been subjected to out of the ordinary trauma, dropped on hard surfaces, etc.?

post #44 of 50

Could that delam' have been from a lift tail-stomper skiing up on your tails ?

post #45 of 50
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Originally Posted by juanito View Post
 

 

That's an unpleasant surprise.  Made me check mine and they are fine.   Have your skis been subjected to out of the ordinary trauma, dropped on hard surfaces, etc.?

 

 

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Originally Posted by ARL67 View Post
 

Could that delam' have been from a lift tail-stomper skiing up on your tails ?

No trauma that I can recall. I bought these used with about 10 days on them and skied them about 30 (short) runs. Just noticed this yesterday.  Skis are mint other than this.  

 

They are sitting now clamped with some 2 part marine epoxy. I'm hoping that will solve the issue.

post #46 of 50

 

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Originally Posted by RatherPlayThanWork View Post
 

 

 

No trauma that I can recall. I bought these used with about 10 days on them and skied them about 30 (short) runs. Just noticed this yesterday.  Skis are mint other than this.  

 

They are sitting now clamped with some 2 part marine epoxy. I'm hoping that will solve the issue.


Wow, that's puzzling. Just checked out my 2016 AX and 2015 AR (same ski) and didnt see any delaminating. Perhaps someone in the Ski watch booth at the mountain standing your AX's too hard on the heels?


Edited by bluedog - 3/14/17 at 3:07pm
post #47 of 50
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Originally Posted by surfsnowgirl View Post
 

I just skied my newly mounted 2016 Stockli Laser AX skis and I was blown away by them.  We had icy hard pack conditions in western Mass this past weekend and these guys didn't slide once when I went over ice.  They just grabbed and after about 25 feet I knew I loved them and a third of the way down the run I had complete confidence in their ability to get down any trail.  I went down every open trail at Butternut, even the ones I knew would be hairy due to ice and these skis were amazing.  They turn on a dime and are just so capable and most importantly FUN!!!!!!!!! I have a new daily driver.  I wasn't in the market for one since my Atomic Redster XTI's are more than capable but I came upon these stocklis and they are amazing. The Redsters are 70 underfoot and the Stockli's are 78 underfoot so certainly room for both in my quiver.  I didn't want to stop skiing this past weekend, even though my nose was frozen.  I now get what all the talk is about Stockli, wow, wow, wow.  

Just how I feel about my 2016 Laser AX.  So capable; so quick; so stable.  Wait 'til you get them in some soft snow ... the tips and tales are special.

 

Tell me about these special tips and tails.  I'm skiing southern Vermont (Mount Snow and Bromley) this weekend and am so tempted to ski the Stocklis despite all the powder.  They were just so damn fun.  I have wider "powder"ish skis but am curious as to the stockli's handling in some powder. What's their limit, 6 inches? How much powder before I take out the fatter skis?  These skis are just so amazing I want to ski them all the time.  

post #48 of 50

Had an interesting conversation with a L3 the other day who is meticulous about his bases, edges, etc. Said that most of us tend to sit our skis down, rears first, as we walk with them on/off gondolas, carry them somewhere, sit them down to go into a lodge. Not slamming them down, just a normal contact with ground. But unlike sides, and usually tip, the tails are exposed sandwich, with some extra resin. Some makers add a metal or plastic protector, but not all. So, he said, this will drive tiny, nearly microscopic bits of rock or soil into the seams between layers of the sandwich. If we're unlucky, and the mini-pebble is pushed upward just right, that'll create a tiny wedge into which snow crystals will follow. How non-crash delamination starts. Then there's the gondola itself, with the tails getting bounced down onto a metal floor in the ski slots. 

 

Has changed how I put down my skis, as in now I don't. Unless/until pure snow. Probably I'm the last one on the planet to know this. :o Not much I can do about gondola attendants, though...

 

Meanwhile, I'd contact Stockli. Despite my L3's concerns, I've never delam'ed a ski's tail. Including some indie models that should have, cuz they were not, shall we say, precisely molded. 

post #49 of 50
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Originally Posted by surfsnowgirl View Post
 

 

Tell me about these special tips and tails.  I'm skiing southern Vermont (Mount Snow and Bromley) this weekend and am so tempted to ski the Stocklis despite all the powder.  They were just so damn fun.  I have wider "powder"ish skis but am curious as to the stockli's handling in some powder. What's their limit, 6 inches? How much powder before I take out the fatter skis?  These skis are just so amazing I want to ski them all the time.  

 

I have skied them with great results in 6-8" of fresh and several-days-old powder and chopped up snow.  The tip floats nicely ... not at all what I was expecting after having only skied them on hardback.  It's still a 78 width ski, so it is not going to rise to the level of something like a 95-100 width ski.  I am also light (145ish) and ski with a narrow stance in powder.  As a point of reference, the AX handles powder much better than a similar length Kastle FX84 (which works well in a few inches of powder but seeks bottom when it gets deeper). 
 
When there's more than 8" of powder (seems like a distant memory) I pull our a pair of Volkl 90Eights.  
 
Unlike the winter that you're still having in Vermont, we have full on spring here in Utah.   The Laser AX has been the preferred tool on days when I know that I will mostly be on overnight refrozen surfaces ... with softening occurring late in the day.  On the really warm days when it softens early and slushy on the last run down, I prefer to surf on the 90Eights. 
post #50 of 50
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Originally Posted by surfsnowgirl View Post
 

 

Tell me about these special tips and tails.  I'm skiing southern Vermont (Mount Snow and Bromley) this weekend and am so tempted to ski the Stocklis despite all the powder.  They were just so damn fun.  I have wider "powder"ish skis but am curious as to the stockli's handling in some powder. What's their limit, 6 inches? How much powder before I take out the fatter skis?  These skis are just so amazing I want to ski them all the time.  

 

I have skied them with great results in 6-8" of fresh and several-days-old powder and chopped up snow.  The tip floats nicely ... not at all what I was expecting after having only skied them on hardback.  It's still a 78 width ski, so it is not going to rise to the level of something like a 95-100 width ski.  I am also light (145ish) and ski with a narrow stance in powder.  As a point of reference, the AX handles powder much better than a similar length Kastle FX84 (which works well in a few inches of powder but seeks bottom when it gets deeper). 
 
When there's more than 8" of powder (seems like a distant memory) I pull our a pair of Volkl 90Eights.  
 
Unlike the winter that you're still having in Vermont, we have full on spring here in Utah.   The Laser AX has been the preferred tool on days when I know that I will mostly be on overnight refrozen surfaces ... with softening occurring late in the day.  On the really warm days when it softens early and slushy on the last run down, I prefer to surf on the 90Eights. 

 

Excellent, thank you.  I'm not light and tend to have a wider stance, working on narrowing it a bit.  I don't think the AX has metal so I'm still blown away by how well it handled the icy hardpack from last weekend, still coming down from that high :)  I have a pair of 90Eights I love as well so think I'll bring both to the mountains this weekend.   Mount Snow has a ski check so I'll bring both on mountain and swap out if need be. I have a pair of Kenjas also so they are my in between ski when I'm not sure I need the 90Eights.  I

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