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post #31 of 50
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Originally Posted by Artemat View Post

I bet the guy isn't telling the full story. He probably deserved to be pushed off the chair lift, then got butt hurt and decided to report it after his drugs wore off. In any case, something smells fishy here.

Isn't that a bit too "blame the victim-ish?" I mean, "deserved to be pushed off a chair lift" Irregardless of what the guy might have said, unless he pushed the other guy off the chairlift first, he didn't deserve to be pushed from a chair lift. That's like saying a woman wearing sexually revealing clothing deserves to be sexually assaulted.
post #32 of 50
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Originally Posted by gobbly View Post
 

 

reading between the lines a little it sounds like they did find the person who did it, but he was either being treated for mental illness, substance abuse, or is a minor.  Basically that statute prevents them from releasing details about the suspect.

http://www.9news.com/news/crime/alleged-aspen-chairlift-pusher-identified-getting-treatment/41256539

 

Looks like you were right.  BTW, Pamela Mackey was also Kobe Bryant's lawyer in the alleged assault of the Cordillera(?) employee.

post #33 of 50

Dudes, this is Aspen.

 

Anybody want to bet that Thomas Proesel isn't a trust funder with affluenza and anger management issues.

His dad and unc show up with a six figure lawyer and the put him in treatment to hide him.

Standard practice for the 1%.

post #34 of 50
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Originally Posted by dakine View Post
 

Dudes, this is Aspen.

 

Anybody want to bet that Thomas Proesel isn't a trust funder with affluenza and anger management issues.

His dad and unc show up with a six figure lawyer and the put him in treatment to hide him.

Standard practice for the 1%.


I'll double down on my bet that the tool has either killed or seriously harmed other people before.  At 31 I doubt this is the first time he's lost it and attacked some innocent, unlucky person..

post #35 of 50

Lots more details in this Aspen Times article :

 

http://www.aspentimes.com/news/20603838-113/aspen-chairlift-pusher-identified-arrested

 

Including :

 

-- The lift operator saw it and stopped the lift, but not before it had gotten far enough for Proesel to have exited the lift

-- The third man on the lift ride skied down and ended up riding back up again with the man who was pushed off

-- Some quotes from Proesel certainly make him sound like he has problems, assuming they aren't just made up by him to sound that way

post #36 of 50

Wow. Just...Wow.  I'm sure going to take advantage of the safety bar from now on... And maybe stop talking to other riders on the chair.

post #37 of 50
And wear a parachute?
post #38 of 50
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Originally Posted by sibhusky View Post

And wear a parachute?

 

But not a ski mask....

 

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 The deputy asked how he was being threatening, and Proesel said Beckton “was wearing a ski mask,” the report states.
post #39 of 50

Imagine if your 10 year old ended up riding the lift with someone like that??  My kids are 12 and 13 and last season was the first time I let them ski with friends their age and no adult supervision... meeting back up and checking in every hour or two..  I really don't want to know there are flakes like that sharing the slopes with us but there have always been..  we just hear more about it these days due to technology and global information in real time..

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post #41 of 50
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A fine looking individual, that. :cool

post #42 of 50

The fact that the 3rd man on the lift also failed to report the incident is almost as disturbing as the incident itself.  It seems unclear on if the lift operator reported the incident but it doesn't sound like he did either.
post #43 of 50

It actually makes me feel a little better about humanity knowing that the guy had diagnosed mental health issues, and wasn't just a plain old bad person who made the decision to throw someone off the lift for no apparent reason with his full mental facilities intact.

 

Why he wasn't under better control and supervision and was able to do something like this in the first place is another question...this is the kind of person who becomes a mass shooter if they slip through the cracks for too long. So from that perspective, I suppose its lucky he was "discovered" for something where nobody was hurt, and not something much much worse. 

post #44 of 50
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Originally Posted by LiveJazz View Post
 

It actually makes me feel a little better about humanity knowing that the guy had diagnosed mental health issues, and wasn't just a plain old bad person who made the decision to throw someone off the lift for no apparent reason with his full mental facilities intact.

 

Why he wasn't under better control and supervision and was able to do something like this in the first place is another question...this is the kind of person who becomes a mass shooter if they slip through the cracks for too long. So from that perspective, I suppose its lucky he was "discovered" for something where nobody was hurt, and not something much much worse. 

 

There was a 19-20 year old that drove his truck in to a house across town last week, totaled the house.  Luckily no one was in the room he hit.  Turns out that the same guy also hit a house last year...  6 months after his license had been revoked at the recommendation of a doctor due to a seizure disorder.  Turns out that the guy's father bought him the HUMMER he was driving last week and insured it in how own name then gave him the keys... just like the vehicle he was driving last year when he also had a seizure and drove of the road in to someone else's house.  The insurance company isn't likely to pay since the father obviously committed insurance fraud when he handed the kid the keys/lied on the insurance application.

 

Isn't that awesome?

post #45 of 50
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Originally Posted by crgildart View Post
 

 

There was a 19-20 year old that drove his truck in to a house across town last week, totaled the house.  Luckily no one was in the room he hit.  Turns out that the same guy also hit a house last year...  6 months after his license had been revoked at the recommendation of a doctor due to a seizure disorder.  Turns out that the guy's father bought him the HUMMER he was driving last week and insured it in how own name then gave him the keys... just like the vehicle he was driving last year when he also had a seizure and drove of the road in to someone else's house.  The insurance company isn't likely to pay since the father obviously committed insurance fraud when he handed the kid the keys/lied on the insurance application.

 

Isn't that awesome?


just to clarify.  Are you upset with the insurance company likely denying the claim or are you just upset with the situation as a whole?

post #46 of 50
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Originally Posted by drewder View Post
 


just to clarify.  Are you upset with the insurance company likely denying the claim or are you just upset with the situation as a whole?

I'm upset that a parent would provide the weapon and ammunition to a teen that clearly had known medical handicaps that made it likely to cause harm or death to themselves and others... TWICE!  I could care less about the "stuff".  Stuff can be replaced.  The folks probably have enough money to pay since they had enough to buy their kid a Hummer.

 

Back on the chairlift, what if it has been a teen with a mental health issue instead of a 31 year old man that pushed the guy?  Could the parents/guardians be liable for damages caused or accessories to assault or murder for knowingly sending a mentally deranged child of theirs out in to the general public without supervision?

 

The fact that it is an adult, and seemingly the adult child of some wealthy people, out in society that clearly didn't belong there, and causing harm and potential injuries what does this tell us about our society and health care system?  Giving these folks tax payer footed Medicare Part D high dollar pills isn't the solution to the dismantling of our national mental hospital system is it??

post #47 of 50
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Originally Posted by crgildart View Post

I'm upset that a parent would provide the weapon and ammunition to a teen that clearly had known medical handicaps that made it likely to cause harm or death to themselves and others... TWICE!  I could care less about the "stuff".  Stuff can be replaced.  The folks probably have enough money to pay since they had enough to buy their kid a Hummer.

Back on the chairlift, what if it has been a teen with a mental health issue instead of a 31 year old man that pushed the guy?  Could the parents/guardians be liable for damages caused or accessories to assault or murder for knowingly sending a mentally deranged child of theirs out in to the general public without supervision?

The fact that it is an adult, and seemingly the adult child of some wealthy people, out in society that clearly didn't belong there, and causing harm and potential injuries what does this tell us about our society and health care system?  Giving these folks tax payer footed Medicare Part D high dollar pills isn't the solution to the dismantling of our national mental hospital system is it??

Thanks and I completely agree with you.
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That all sounds shockingly reasonable and pragmatic.

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