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Liner Too Small?

post #1 of 4
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I'm 6'2", 30 years old, size 12/45 shoes, 190 pounds, and have a pair of Full Tilt High Five in size 27.5. I don't have anything particularly extreme about my foot - it's slightly wide and my instep is a bit high. I've been to my local shop where I bought them 5 times now to get my boots worked on. My first few trips had the toe box punched out to deal with pressure on my sixth toe area that caused a burning sensation in the balls of my feet. That has gone away after a fair amount of work but my toes, and eventually the front part of my feet, are still falling asleep after not a long time. I've tried many things to try to troubleshoot my feet issues, all to no avail:

 

- I've tried the boots on while sitting, standing, walking, flexing, laying down, laying down with my feet elevated, laying down with my feet in a "skiing position", and every combination thereof and the result is always the same - my toes and feet fall asleep. The only difference is the amount of time it takes for my feet to fall asleep.

- I've tried light, ultralight, and no socks. Same as above, the only difference is no sock my feet fall asleep slightly slower but the end result is always the same. 

- I've removed the foot beds to give my instep a significant amount of room. It felt like I was swimming in the liners. My toes and feet still fell asleep.

- I've buckled the buckles in various orders and combinations of tightness. I've even had the buckles hinged but not pressed down, just to keep the boot together. Same deal.

 

The only thing that has remained constant is the liner. When I pull the liners out and put them on my feet my big toe is quite clearly pushing on the neoprene toebox with some force. I took a nap with JUST the liners on and when I woke up both of my big toes were totally numb. This was after the liners were re-heat molded post-toe box work using a Fischer toe cap to really stretch the liner. The liner is VERY compressed in the back of the heel and no amount of skiing is going to cause it to pack out a significant amount - that's just not physically possible. And the neoprene in the front isn't going to compress.

 

Obviously none of this is a replacement for actual skiing but the east coast hasn't been blessed with much cold weather until fairly recently. I'm planning on going tomorrow or Thursday locally before the impending snowstorm because I figure it won't be busy and I can focus on skiing and trying to figure out if these boots are salvageable. My shop has offered up the possibility of giving me store credit for these boots so I can pick something else but I really like the ease of entry and exit of the three piece shell so I'd really like to make these boots work.

 

I am by no means a ski boot expert but I have experience with other sports that involve getting a proper fit like biking, golfing, climbing, and boxing so I have a fairly good idea of how boots SHOULD fit in terms of snugness. Perhaps I am incorrect, but I feel that if I wear JUST a liner with my foot beds it should slightly snug but not tight. I feel that my big toes should NOT be going to sleep if I wear just the liner, which has been stretched, around the house or while taking a nap. The liner was not in any way bound or held together - it was just the liner. Am I way off base in my assumption that this liner is perhaps too small for my foot? And that this is possibly causing problems to manifest in different ways once the liner is inside of the boot?

 

I should mention I skied on them twice at the end of last season, when I bough them. It required me to take breaks to let blood flow back to my toes when they became cold and numb. The shell fit has been checked by several people and confirmed as "the right size." Widely available Internet knowledge allowed me to measure it as well and it's definitely "the right size."
Edited by timj - 1/19/16 at 8:49am
post #2 of 4

Nothing, breaks in a liner, like skiing---if the shell fit is correct and you are capable of skiing the steeper terrain, then go get some vertical and they will---break in:beercheer:.  Wearing them around the house is useless.  It does nothing.  It won't work!!!

 

mike

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Thread Starter 

I'm definitely going to give them another shot actually skiing and I'll see what happens. The problem is that it's hard to get a significant amount of skiing in when my feet go numb and my toes start to get cold after 45 minutes. For every 90 minutes or so I skied I had to take a 30 minute break. I don't ski enough days during the year that a lengthy and unpleasant break in process for the prospect of a boot that *might* fit is worth it to me. If the break in process was just some pain and sore feet at the end of the day I would be okay with it, but losing adequate circulation to my toes and feet makes for a significantly less enjoyable experience.

post #4 of 4

The inside of the liner in most cases is a wool sock---Try skiing a couple of days without socks on your feet---this will give you a bit more room.

 

this will help break in the liner and perhaps then you can wear a sock from then on.

 

Try it at home---put one boot on with a sock and one without to feel the difference.

 

mike

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