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Recommendations for First Pair of Skis

post #1 of 10
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Hello everyone,

 

I'm very new to skiing but looking to purchase my first pair, I feel learning on one pair will be more beneficial than trying something different every time I go some place new. Here's my general level of experience:

 

On a carpet/moving carpet, I can do a lot more on there than I can on snow. I can do carving plough turns, I can do wedge christie turns, and I can do inter parallel turns with the weight shift happening and then carve both edges, with the diagonal edges, much like I see the slalom. GS, and SG racers using. I can do wedge turns on edge shifting my weight in my sleep doing the carpet slope, in a variety of radii.

 

My first time on snow, I couldn't find a single edge to save my life and was able to glide the entire time I was there, I was skiing on the Head Instinct Skis Mammoth rents. They never really felt like my skis. I think the most speed I picked up and was able to hold was about 10-15 mph, going down the West Sesame Street Hill. In snow plough/wedge the whole time, doing a few rotary wedge turns. I had a hard adjusting to the snow at first. Lost control doing things I'd never lost control doing before, etc... 

 

I've only done 7 runs down Green Dot Hills at Mammoth, Sesame Street and West Sesame Street. Had one run where I went top to bottom without falling or stopping, picked up about 10-15 mph and was able to control the speed, and was able to incorporate a few plough turns. 

 

So needless to say I was not able to translate what I can do on the carpet to the snow. 

 

So here are my stats:

 

I'm Male, 5'5, Approx 200 lbs, which I am hoping to shed in the coming months. Stocky, broad shoulder build. Fischer Fuse 9 Vacuum Boots. Obviously a beginner, but I want skis that will take me into the inter level well, I'm looking at Fischer Viron Carve 2015 and Atomic ETL Plus. I am definitely still finding my way as a skier snow, and learning how to adapt skills from the carpet to the snow. 

 

Can anyone recommend any of other pairs to look at or just suggest between the two mentioned above as well. I don't know a lot of what to look at in terms statistics and how to read between the lines of the salesman spin in the product descriptions. 

 

Also, if any of you could give some general things to look for when I am looking at these things, I love learning the more I can about the equipment I'm using. When I played tennis, I always knew every possible number of my racquet, better than a lot of the people in stores that were selling them. So please sort of help guide me, so I can eat my whole life, as opposed to just eating tonight, using the fish analogy. I don't want to have to rely on salesmen to tell me what is best for me, I want to know what is best for me, or at least know the general idea of what I'm looking for when I go in the store or go online. So anyone willing to guide me, please do. I'm a sponge of information. 

 

Any suggestions would be wonderful. 

 

Thank You!

post #2 of 10
Thread Starter 

Correction, I skied Sesame Street and Apple Pie at Mammoth, preferring the Apple Pie Course to Sesame Street. 

post #3 of 10
Not a gear expert, but one thing for sure, your skiing is going to change rapidly from day 1 to day 20. So, the skis that are RIGHT for your particular stage of ability are going to change as well. If you buy, you're either going to be buying for day 20 (and getting the wrong skis for today, which may even slow your progress) or for today (in which case the skis will be holding you back on day 20). Right now, you should rent until your skills get to the point that you are on a more gradual improvement curve. Get used to snow. Until you are linking turns reliably, there's no point in buying equipment.
post #4 of 10

I'm with sibhusky, rent for the rest of this year. you have boots which is the most important piece of equipment.

One thing you didn't mention is the length of skis you rented. The Head Instinct comes in a 149, 156, 163, 170 and 177. You should have started with the 149 for your first day. Least you think that's too short, I'm 5'-9" and when I'm teaching beginners I use a 143 cm Head Rev 80. 

I'll bet you were on something around 143 when you were on the roller carpet.

Again, as sibhusky said, your needs for a ski are going to change as you improve. The Head Instinct is an OK learning ski but start short and work up. If you go back to Mammoth again start the day on the 149's and see how that goes. If things go well change to the 156's in the afternoon. Then stay on the 156's until you can reliably do all the maneuvers you practiced on the rolling carpet. Then move up to the 163's.

Once you become comfortable on the 163's, probably next year, start demoing high performance skis to see what you like, that will help you determine what you want to purchase.

Since I live in the midwest, my daily driver is a 163 cm Head Magnum because our normal conditions are what you call ice. When I go out west I always rent skis. That way I can change skis depending on conditions and I'm always on a current model. If there is no fresh snow then I'm on something between 80 and 90 mm underfoot but if there's 12" of fresh I'll rent a wider ski.

Next time out if your still having trouble take a 1/2 day group lesson. It will help you find out what your doing differently between the roller carpet and real snow. Have fun, be safe and learn lots.

post #5 of 10
Do a season rental, that way you will have the same ski each time. Rental skis are notorious for not being turned very often so that could have been part of your problem.
post #6 of 10
If you do decide to buy, wait a month and find a deal on pair of skis. The cost of renting makes going skiing on a regular basis even more expensive. I bought skis for my wife and I at an end if season sale and we still ski then five years later. Get ones with the bindings already attached and don't spend too much. I really beat them up from fallling and just learning how to ski. I also felt learning on one set did help.
post #7 of 10
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I BELIEVE they gave me the 160's, I stupidly forgot to look. 

post #8 of 10
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Originally Posted by voghan View Post

If you do decide to buy, wait a month and find a deal on pair of skis. The cost of renting makes going skiing on a regular basis even more expensive. I bought skis for my wife and I at an end if season sale and we still ski then five years later. Get ones with the bindings already attached and don't spend too much. I really beat them up from fallling and just learning how to ski. I also felt learning on one set did help.

 

Yeah, I'm looking at a lot of deals online. I'm not spending $600 on a pair of skis, 300 at most, and that's a high price for me. 

post #9 of 10
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Originally Posted by scott112 View Post
 

 

Yeah, I'm looking at a lot of deals online. I'm not spending $600 on a pair of skis, 300 at most, and that's a high price for me. 

The other time to look for deals are at ski swaps in the summer/fall.  I've bought new skis for both of my kids at swaps.  Our hill also hosts a ski store sales from a shop in Iowa in March.  Good deals are there for people willing to hunt and get last years models.  Also, skis.com has a YouTube channel where they review most skis.  

post #10 of 10
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Originally Posted by scott112 View Post
 

 

Yeah, I'm looking at a lot of deals online. I'm not spending $600 on a pair of skis, 300 at most, and that's a high price for me. 

 

You can find pretty nice setups from previous season's this time of year for under $300.  

 

For example, I think the Volkl RTM 8.0 would be a great first ski for you, and it's currently $275 on our site, including bindings.  We also have an additional automatic 20% off through the end of the day today.

 

2015 Volkl RTM 8.0

 

Just thought I'd give you an example of a ski that would work well for you that's also well within your price range.  Welcome to the sport end welcome to EpicSki!!

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