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Resort that allows small moguls?

post #1 of 13
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I'm a level 7 but I suck in the bumps.  My issue is it's so rare to find a run with one or two day old, small, practice bumps.  How can anyone learn if everything is groomed smooth every night?

 

And I'm not looking for the showoff section under the liftline that is allowed to grow fierce bumps... I can't survive, much less learn anything in there.

 

Does anyone know a resort that doesn't groom EVERY trail smooth?  Hopefully in Vermont or upstate NY?

post #2 of 13
Well, skipping New England, the large Western resorts have too much acreage to groom every run every night.
post #3 of 13

I don't know much about skiing in the east, but here in the west bumps get "smaller" and softer when there's fresh snow.  That's the time to learn. 

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Originally Posted by Dave_in_PA View Post
 

I'm a level 7 but I suck in the bumps.  My issue is it's so rare to find a run with one or two day old, small, practice bumps.  How can anyone learn if everything is groomed smooth every night?

 

And I'm not looking for the showoff section under the liftline that is allowed to grow fierce bumps... I can't survive, much less learn anything in there.

 

Does anyone know a resort that doesn't groom EVERY trail smooth?  Hopefully in Vermont or upstate NY?


Have you ever heard of Plattekill?  Western side of the NY Catskills.  A couple bump runs at Elk, just north of Scranton.

 

Gore and Whiteface have bumps.  At least after it starts snowing regularly.

 

Plenty of bumps to be found in Vermont.  Paging @KevinF , who organizes the annual Northeast Gathering in March.

post #5 of 13

Stowe has a lot of natural snow bump trails.

 

Off of the Spruce Peak side, the shortest bump run I can think of is West Smugglers, off of the Sunny Spruce chair.  It's marked black diamond only because I don't think it's ever groomed (i.e., it's not that steep).  The bumps are usually shaped pretty well on it.

 

Off of the Sensation chair (Spruce side summit chair), there is Smugglers.  I'm not sure if it gets groomed out periodically or not?  The bumps never get very big, but I've never seen groomer tracks in it.  Again, it's a black diamond only because it will have moguls on it, but it's not at all steep.  It's a whole lot longer than West Smuggler's though.  I've heard it called the "best learn-to-ski-bumps trail, anywhere".  The only "catch" with Smugglers is that at one point (80% of the way down?) the trail takes a hard right with a bailout straight ahead...  Take the bailout, as it gets a whole lot steeper and nastier if you don't.

 

Also off of Sensation is Whirlaway which is a royal pain to get into (there are a few rocks that never seem to get covered), but once you're past that, it's a fun rolling trail.  It's a decent step up from Smuggs or West Smuggs, mostly because of the entrance.

 

On the gondola side...  Perry Merrill (take a right as you get off the gondola) goes around a giant turn off the top.  Skier's left (the inside) of the turn is allowed to bump up.  The longer you stay in the bumps, the steeper it gets, but you can just traverse out at any time.  There's also the first pitch on Chin Clip...  probably about a dozen bumps long and then there's a bailout back to Gondolier.  Both of those are pretty short though and then it's a long, long ways down on groomers back to the lift.

 

Off of the Fourrunner quad (Mansfield side).  There's Gulch which has snowmaking (think:  no rocks in the troughs!) and is much wider than anything else mentioned here.  I find the bumps on Gulch to be pretty irregular though...  Bump shape / rhythm is, to me, more important than bump size / steepness. 

 

A lot of stuff below Midway is allowed to bump up as well -- Lower National, Lower Starr, Lower Lookout, and Lower Liftline usually aren't groomed to perfection.  Getting onto Midway to get to all those is something of a pain though...  Easiest way is probably Gondola, Perry Merril, Cliff Trail, Nosedive and then cut hard right across the bottom of National.

 

The sides of bunches of other trails will sometimes have baby bumps forming -- just look around.  Powder days or warm spring slush days will pretty much get every trail to bump up to some degree.  The rest of Stowe's bump runs (Chin Clip, Centerline and the Front Four trails) are a major step up in difficulty.

 

Outside of Northern Vermont...  The North Face side of Mt. Snow has a lot of bump runs of varying "mean-ness" to them.  Okemo also has a handful of trails with man-made bumps on them.  I haven't skied either of those in years though, so I don't know the "progression" the way I do at Stowe.

post #6 of 13
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Originally Posted by Dave_in_PA View Post
 

I'm a level 7 but I suck in the bumps.  My issue is it's so rare to find a run with one or two day old, small, practice bumps.  How can anyone learn if everything is groomed smooth every night?

 

And I'm not looking for the showoff section under the liftline that is allowed to grow fierce bumps... I can't survive, much less learn anything in there.

 

Does anyone know a resort that doesn't groom EVERY trail smooth?  Hopefully in Vermont or upstate NY?


Mad River Glen

post #7 of 13

Just about all the Vermont resorts have bump runs, especially from Killington and north.  Killington has runs that will only be groomed every couple of days.  Allows the bumps to build and when the trail gets a bit gnarly with too much icy base showing, it will get groomed again.  Some trails will get half groomed and half left to bump up.  Good for learning as you can bail out if it gets to be too much for you.    

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Originally Posted by Dave_in_PA View Post
 

I'm a level 7 but I suck in the bumps.  My issue is it's so rare to find a run with one or two day old, small, practice bumps.  How can anyone learn if everything is groomed smooth every night?

 

And I'm not looking for the showoff section under the liftline that is allowed to grow fierce bumps... I can't survive, much less learn anything in there.

 

Does anyone know a resort that doesn't groom EVERY trail smooth?  Hopefully in Vermont or upstate NY?

 

If you want something a bit closer both Elk and Montage in PA have trails that are bumped over. I don't remember trail names at Elk as it's been a few years, but at Montage all of the double blacks that allow at least part of the trail to remain bumped over, and one or two of the blacks as well. 

post #9 of 13

If you're in Bucks County, PA just go to Blue Mtn. Barney's Bumps on the left side of Main St.is almost always a mellow set of man-made bumps. They do groom and reset them every few weeks, so sometimes if you time it wrong they might not be there for a day.

post #10 of 13

Good tips from everyone.  Most ski areas even in PA and points south allow one or two runs to bump up, but often not the first few weeks, especially in a crummy season like this one.  Sounds like Blue Mtn is closest suggestion to you.  I would imagine Camelback would have a few bumps too once there is a decent snowpack.  Someone mentioned Mad River Glen in VT.  It is operated almost entirely on natural snow and they do have a lot of bump runs, but also some groomers.  It is the only place where I once came across a green circle run that was loaded with bumps.  I found that hilarious, but a wonderful part of its charm. Also, make an effort to get out on warmer days.  When the bumps turn slushy they are much easier and forgiving to practice on.  Force yourself to go skiing in March a few times when everyone else is getting their golf clubs out.

post #11 of 13

Though I haven't been to either in a while, I think both Mad River and Magic Mountain (which was closed for a few seasons a while back) in VT still don't groom many/most runs.

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Though I haven't been to either in a while, I think both Mad River and Magic Mountain (which was closed for a few seasons a while back) in VT still don't groom many/most runs.

 

I wouldn't recommend  either as a place to go to learn to ski moguls.  Most of the runs at Mad River off the single chair never see a groomer.  Most are too narrow for that.  So small to medium sized bumps are not what you are talking about.  The black runs at Magic are similar, but they are not even open this year yet.

post #13 of 13

If you're in PA, some close-in places to practice before moving up to triple-A?

 

Southern PA- Liberty has fairly large bumps on upper Strata- not in direct view of the lift, and its steep but short- 4-5 turns, so you can't get in trouble for too long.  After that, take lower Eastwind down the rest of the way- longer, a blue, bumps never more than boot-top-high and not too close together.  With only 650' vert, you can lap both in under 15minutes, getting in lots of practice on specific lines to nail things down.  They also bump upper Eastwind, almost as large as Strata but in full view of the peanut gallery.

 

At Whitetail, Exhibition is bumped, but is in full view of the lift- not a good practice run. They usually have a groomed-in patch (50yards?) of practice bumps at the top of the EZ-Rider quad on a green trail, so you can work on timing without worrying abt speed

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