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Intermediate skiers with Volki RTM75 considering to upgrade ski

post #1 of 13
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Hi I am an recreational intermediate (may be advanced intermediate) skier with 15 ~20days skiing every season. I usually go to Niseko or other ski resorts in Japan with reason powder, mix of trees and bumps. 

 

I think I am at intermediate level (maybe advance intermediate):

- Start craving and feel fun with it

- Getting confidence in black run mogul 

- learning better short turns (Pivot and craved short turns) and tree runs

- Interested in skiing powder but not good at doing short turn in powder.

Will take lesson every seasons and want to progress to advanced level.

 

I am 49 years old, 169cm tall and 75kg (going to reduce 5~10 kg weight). Love skiing leisurely, and not very fast

 

I have been using my Volki RTM75 at 166cm length for 4 years. It seems that I am not confident on it now when I crave faster or skiing it faster in un-groomed areas, in particular feeling not very stable when crushing trough un-groomed snow. Of course, this might largely  due to my skills but I am thinking if upgrading my ski can help. 

 

I want my ski to last for a while and can be used through advanced level. Want it to be able to craving reasonably well, do well in bump, trees and able to ski some power/un-groomed snow if possible. I want light weight and easy to handle/control, not too stiff ski as I am not a strong person and may not have the proper skills to drive difficult skis, yet stability is very important.

 

As an intermediate skier and not dedicated to powder, I will not consider skis waist wider than 90mm. Best in the mid to lower 80. After some search in the internet, I am considering the following:

 

Kastle FX85

Kastle FX85HP (not sure if it is better than FX85 for my particular requirement)

Kastle LX82

Head Monster 88

Head Supershape Titan??

Blizzard Brahma

Atomic Vantage 85CTI

Volki Kendo

 

I think I may like to have the ski length in the 164~168 range as I am still progressing my craving skill, mogul skill and tree run skill. Don't like a too long a ski.

 

Demoing is not possible as no ski resort and no ski shop in my area. I go short trips to ski every seasons and demoing is not feasible.

 

Would appreciate your advices and opinions.

 

Thanks

post #2 of 13

Get the kendo from http://www.skiessentials.com/2015-volkl-kendo-skis-w-marker-griffon-13-bindings.html?utm_source=CustomerConnect&utm_medium=email&utm_content=coupon&utm_campaign=SkiHappySale

 

Just got an email from them, these are $415.92 today.

 

The kendo really is that great of a ski. It would be good for you, 170cm

post #3 of 13
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Max Capacity View Post
 

Get the kendo from http://www.skiessentials.com/2015-volkl-kendo-skis-w-marker-griffon-13-bindings.html?utm_source=CustomerConnect&utm_medium=email&utm_content=coupon&utm_campaign=SkiHappySale

 

Just got an email from them, these are $415.92 today.

 

The kendo really is that great of a ski. It would be good for you, 170cm


Thanks Max for the information and advices. Checked the webstore and note that the 2015 version is on sale but the 2016 version is still quite expensive. I am seriously considering the 2016 version and is now reading/searching more review on it.

 

Based on reading online reviews, I pretty much eyeing on the following seriously with the preference listed as per the following order basing on online reviews:

 

1. Kastle FX85

- very good review, light weight and versatile, seems to be easy to control and stable, said to be agile and playful, considering the 165mm length. Will this be too short? A bit expensive and need to wait for discount/closeout.

 

2. Kastle FX85HP

- not sure if this version if better than the noon HP version for my case

 

3. Kastle LX82

- Light weight and very good for front side. Considering the 164 mm length. Too short? Not sure if the FX 85 is better. FX 85 seems to be more versatile . Still pricy.

 

3. Volkl Kendo 2016

- Received very good reviews. Stable and yet versatile. 90mm waist also better for powder or thicker snow. Considering the 170mm length as suggested by Max.

 

4. Atomic Vantage 85 CTI

- Seems to have good reviews. Is the 165mm length which I am considering  too short? 173mm seems to be a bit long and I am afraid not able to handle it. Seems most online shops not carrying 165mm length. 

 

5. Blizzard Brahma 

- Good reviews but said to be stiff. 166mm length I am considering too short? Next length is 173. Seems most online shop not carrying 166mm length.

 

 

All my information bases on online reviews. Comments/experience/or advices from skiers with experience on the above is very much appreciated.

post #4 of 13
Thread Starter 


Hi,

 

Read more reviews and have made my choice clearer. I now pretty much set on the Atomic Vantage 90 CTI because it is said to be lighter and have quicker turns for trees, moguls and may handle off piste better ...etc. I think it is more suitable for me than the Kendo as it is more manoeuvrable in off piste conditions, more playful and easier to ride. It is also said to be lighter and not as stiff as the Blizzard Brahma.

 

I am considering 169mm ski length. Would this length be suitable for my level or I need to consider one size up to the 176mm length?

 

Having said that, the Kastle FX85HP seems to have got great reviews. Not considering the price difference, would you recommend the FX85HP for me over the Atomic Vantage 90 CTI?  I want an easier to ride and light ski.

 

Thanks

post #5 of 13
If you want to ski powder and crud I wouldn't go narrower than 90mm underfoot. 90mm is a good balance between float and edge to edge quickness. 90 underfoot will keep you good up to 6-8in of snow.

Since you like to ski leisurely and slow I would look for a woid core ski vs a metal ski, they will be more fun at lower speeds.
post #6 of 13
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by clink83 View Post

If you want to ski powder and crud I wouldn't go narrower than 90mm underfoot. 90mm is a good balance between float and edge to edge quickness. 90 underfoot will keep you good up to 6-8in of snow.

Since you like to ski leisurely and slow I would look for a woid core ski vs a metal ski, they will be more fun at lower speeds.


Thanks for the opinion. Any wood core skis you have in mind that may be suitable for me? Is the Kastle FX85 a good choice?

post #7 of 13

The Atomic Vantage 90CTi is a really nice ski.  I demoed it last season and was really impressed.  But it has tip and tail rocker so 169 is too short, get the 176.

post #8 of 13
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Originally Posted by mtcyclist View Post
 

The Atomic Vantage 90CTi is a really nice ski.  I demoed it last season and was really impressed.  But it has tip and tail rocker so 169 is too short, get the 176.

Agreed - I'm the same height and 20 lbs lighter than the OP, skiing the 90 CTi in the 176 length. It looks huge next to my non-rockered 165cm skis (which are also 20mm narrower), but feels perfect on the snow.

post #9 of 13

OP, can you get the Atomic ski with a Solomon P12Ti binding ? I have that binding on my old Kendo's, that set up is very light weight. My new Kendo's have the Knee Binding. I chose safety over weight.

 

Later this season check out ski esseintials site for left over powder skis. I don't feel the need to have the latest skis, seeing how a ski that's been out for a few years, only has graphic changes not the way it skis. I bought year old Kendo's Dec 2014. I bought 3 year old Volkl Shiro's in March of 2014. They are still as awesome as this years Shiro. Great ski for the crud as well as powder. I think I paid $280 shipped for them.

 

I understand its a hard choice to make, lots of great ski's out there. 

post #10 of 13
Thread Starter 

Thanks all for the information.

 

Max, Agree that I need not to go for the latest model and the older modes may can be a good bargain. Would be grateful if you could advise  some older models that I may keep a close eye on the season end sales. For the current models, I am deciding on the Atomic Vantage 90CTI. 90 waist size is a good choice for me but will wait for the season end sales. It should be relatively lighter and easier to handle in this category.

 

I can continue to use my current RTM 75 for a while noting that I am still an intermediate skier learning to advance. Still practicing craving, bumps, powder, trees......

 

I am not sure if I could find the Salomon P12 Ti binding. Has considered a few bindings:

- Marker Griffon : Light (not heavy ) matching my goal of lighter ski but seems to get some adverse comments, in particular on durability

- Marker Free Ten : Light and cheap but said to be a low end binding

- Saloman STH2: A bit heavy but seems to be a solid binding

- Look Pivot 14 : Eyeing on this. Seems to be the most durable one and said to be one of the safest binding. Will buy this one if I can find one with reasonable discount.

post #11 of 13


If you do end up with the Vantage 90, mine came with Atomic Warden 13 bindings.  So far no problems with these - not the lightest, but feel solid, good engagement.  If you can find them, a pair of previous season Kendo or Brahma would probably work well also (or wait and see if there are any 2016s kicking around end of season).

post #12 of 13
Thread Starter 

Thanks all for the input. I have found a reasonable deal on the Vantage 90CTI with Salomon RTH2 13 binding (can get the Maker Griffon binding at the same price but I think the Salomon will be more durable and solid). 

 

I am going to pull the trigger to buy my first set of higher end ski with wider waist. Now both 169cm and 176cm are available. Note that some have advised to go for the 176cm length but  I am now skiing only 166mm narrower ski (the Volkl RTM 75) and will normally ski leisurely. May do some long radius turn but shorter turn will be more frequently used. Has some concerns in going to 176cm (90mm waist) which maybe a big jump for me in terms of length and waist width.

 

176cm maybe more difficult in bump and trees? What will be the key draw back if I go for the shorter 169cm length? Less stable in driving Crud or longer radius craving? What other advantage for going for the longer 176cm length?

 

Now thinking between these two and not able to decide. Any opinions or insight will be appreciated. 

 

Thanks

post #13 of 13
Thread Starter 

OK. 

 

Decision made. After reading the Atomic website, they recommend the ski to be my head top height. That is exactly 169cm. In addition, I ski in not aggressive manner and want to ski trees and bumps, I incline to go the slightly shorter size.  I will therefore go for the 169cm length.

 

Finally ordered the Atomic Vantage 90CTI 169cm length with Salomon RTH2 23 bindings. Will use it in the coming Niseko Japan trip in early Feb. Hopefully, this set can arrive on time to replace my Volkl RTM75.

 

Thanks all for the inputs and advices.

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