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post #1 of 11
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Just purchased new skis for myself and my wife and I am looking for bindings advice. 
Frankly this is the first time that I purchase skis w/o mounted bindings and I have little knowledge about bindings. 
The Skis are Scott Black Majic in 184cm and Scott Luna 166cm. 
We ski 80% piste and frontside powder. We do not intend to do any freeriding or touring. 
Myself is approx 190lb, while my wife is above 130 lbs. We are both intermediates. 

One important thing - I have two ski shoes and they are different sizes (one MP29.5 Technica, another MP30 Full Tilts, shells are 340mm and 355mm if I remember correctly), although subjectively they fit almost the same. 

Thus I need some adjustment-ability in the bindings.

Also, since all the skis except one, that I had so far had adjustable bindings, I believe adjustability contributes to resale value? 
 

So far my research has led me to the following choices:

Marker Squire 11, Marker Squire Shizo 11 or Scott NS10 for wifey.

Marker Griffon 13, Marker Griffon 13 of Scott NS14 for me.

 

Are these adjustable at least to the different shoes that I have?
Also, are Squires overall ok for piste? On Marker's own website they give 0/5 Piste rating for Squires (http://marker.net/products/bindings/squire-11.html). 
Black Majic is 80mm underfoot, but Lunas are 85mm underfoot - are 90mm stoppers ok for both of them? 
What are advantages of stepping up to Squire Shizo bindings? 
Scott NS14 bindings look very similar to Salomon Z series. Are there any advantages/disadvantages that they have over Markers? 

It is ok to get older model year bindings as long as they are new and the seller is reputable?
Sorry for many questions Smile 

post #2 of 11

All relevant questions. Both the Squire and the Griffon are perfect for groomers/hardpack as well. But they both tend to get a bit 'clunky'', and not easy to get into (mostly in soft snow).

 

There are many bindings that are perfect for what you want. Anything in the 11-13 upper DIN-range I would say, from Marker, Tyrolia, Look, Rossignol, Salomon/Atomic would be fine. And some are much cheaper than the Markers. The Salomon Z10 or Z12 would work, or the rossignol Axium 120 B90, or the Tyrolia Attack 12 or 13...

 

As for the Schizo bindings: they are only relevant if you intend to play with the mounting position of your binding regularly. If you don't forget about the schizo bindings.

post #3 of 11
Thread Starter 

Thanks.

What about adjustability for my different shoes?

 

Price wise they all to be very close (I am looking into http://www.snowinn.com/ prices).

Squire 11, Scott NS10 or Salomon Z10 are roughly 100-120 EUR.

Griffon 13, Scott NS14 or Salomon Z12 are roughly 115-135 EUR.

Salomons seem to have several different variations in binding height and I have no idea whether this is relevant for us.

post #4 of 11

If you can find a demo version of the Markers, they will be easily adjustable.

post #5 of 11

The European ski sites don't seem to offer the Marker Demo-bindings, nor the Tyrolia Attack Demo-binding.

 

I'm heading to Germany/Austria in February, and want to pickup some new Black Crow Atris skis at either Sport-Conrad or Blue-Tomato  ( weird name for  ski shop ? ).   The only adjustable bindings they offer are the Schizos.  I have no problem with Schizos, but when I go to sell my ski, buyers don't seem to like them back here ( Canada/USA).

 

So I buy, and hoard, Marker Griffon or Jester Demo-bindings when I see a deal on them ( have 2 sets on hand )

I only use a demo bindings as I am picky about mount position.  And always handy when it comes time to sell.

 

From your Snowinn site, I'd suggest the Griffon Demo:

http://www.snowinn.com/index.php?paraula=griffon+demo&idioma=&id_producte_seleccionat=&action=listado_productos_subfamilia&cadena=

 

- Andy

post #6 of 11

We mount a good portion of our ski collection on Jester, griffon and squire shizo's in my family and they are great bindings. The thing about the marker bindings for you is that you should be able to move the heel of the griffon with a screw driver. If you want quick hand switching between boots I would definitely find a demo binding. As for the squire, it will be a great option for your wife but really any of your choices will be great based on your needs so (I rarely give this advice) pick the one that matches your skis best. 

post #7 of 11
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Originally Posted by bruss425 View Post
 

We mount a good portion of our ski collection on Jester, griffon and squire shizo's in my family and they are great bindings. The thing about the marker bindings for you is that you should be able to move the heel of the griffon with a screw driver. If you want quick hand switching between boots I would definitely find a demo binding. As for the squire, it will be a great option for your wife but really any of your choices will be great based on your needs so (I rarely give this advice) pick the one that matches your skis best. 

I don't think that I am going to ski in different boots during the same day or even trip. But If I adjust the heel only isn't it going to affect the balance of the skis and my skiing?

post #8 of 11

I don't know what the adjustment range of the marker's is--not on the website. Salomon Z12 (I'd stay away from the Ti's) have a 28 mm range, which will be enough for you--IF you bring in both boots when you have them mounted (one boot from each pair) and make sure the tech knows you'll use both boots so they aren't mounted at the center of the range for one of the boots. If it is, it won't adjust enough for the other. If you go with another brand make sure you know the adjustment rasnge--I wouldn't go any lower than the Z12's range. You won't notice a significant difference in performance between the two heel positions--you're moving the boot center less than 1 cm. Make sure you know how to do the adjustment--have the tech show you if they are willing (they may refuse due to liability concerns). . Note that even if you use a demo binding--which is heavier and sloppier--the Boot Sole Length settings are approximate--you still have to know how to tell if the forward pressure is correct.

 

Squires are too light weight for you, ok for the wife.

 

No need for schizos unless you plan to go between park and piste skiing or like to ski backwards.

post #9 of 11
Thread Starter 

After some further research I am inclined to go for Schizos, because they allow adjustment of both boot length and binding position, and they are less expensive compared to demo bindings. 

post #10 of 11
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Originally Posted by zuikiz View Post
 

After some further research I am inclined to go for Schizos, because they allow adjustment of both boot length and binding position, and they are less expensive compared to demo bindings. 

 

Marker griffon demo's are a LOT less expensive than Schitzo's, are MUCH simpler in operation and complexity, AND, both front and rear can be adjusted so you can go forward and back on the mounting point, and adjust to any size boot. That's why I have them on all my skis so friends and family can play with my gear, and I can find exactly the point of placement I want.

 

No brainer.

post #11 of 11
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Originally Posted by snofun3 View Post
 

 

Marker griffon demo's are a LOT less expensive than Schitzo's, are MUCH simpler in operation and complexity, AND, both front and rear can be adjusted so you can go forward and back on the mounting point, and adjust to any size boot. That's why I have them on all my skis so friends and family can play with my gear, and I can find exactly the point of placement I want.

 

No brainer.

As crazy as it sounds, but is is actually the opposite. I am finding Griffon Schizos for 135EUR, while the least expensive Griffon demos are 180EUR... It may be different across the pond.

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