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Talk me out of buying another pair of skis

post #1 of 27
Thread Starter 

For a long time, I was a one ski kind of guy.  In 2011, I fell in love with some MX-88s and purchased them.  I find they work great for me in anything other than hard ice or over 6 inches of powder.

 

Last year, I got some FX-104s to handle the 6+ inches of powder days.  I live in the east, so those aren't exactly common for me at home, but I travel out west at least once a year.  What appealed to me about the FXs is that they have a much more consistent feel with my MXs than the typical 100+ wide ski (some of the ones I've demoed on powder days I would describe as too 'vague' and 'light' feeling in even moderately cut up snow or breakable crust).  Jury's still out on the FXs as a purchase, haven't had a chance to try them in the conditions I bought them for but they're decent on western mountains in general.  I find I like my MXs way more if it hasn't snowed recently, but that's not surprising. I do like the FXs more than any other comparably wide ski in the conditions I've ridden them in, so that's an encouraging sign.

 

The other condition where I don't feel all that happy with my MX-88s is if I'm trying to keep up with a good friend, who used to race, some place like Cannon or Stowe.  I find they get chatter-y and it makes me wish I had something really narrow. Because I'm certain at least 5% of that is the ski, I've been considering buying a real carver to round out the quiver :p

 

Two questions:

1. Does buying a carver make sense?  Would be for east coast skiing almost exclusively.  I get about 10-30 days per year, about half is out west.

 

2. Assuming it makes sense to get another ski, suggestions?  I find I like the Kastle "feel" but am not so fond of the price. I've also heard a lot of people here talk favorably about the MX-88s as carvers, so I'm worried about overlap. Looking around here my sense is that the Stockli Laser line should be on the demo list, but that's just as expensive as Kastle.  People also seem fond of Blizzard 800s.  Anything from Head or Volkl worth looking at?  What about the Blizzard Latigo?

 

I'm about 6 ft, 200 lbs, late 20s and athletic.  Ski the MX-88s a bit short at 178 due to the fact I found them easier to manage in eastern bumps/narrow trails/traffic in that length.  I know that is contributing to the issue at speed on ice, perhaps longer MX-88s are the answer?

 

Input appreciated.

post #2 of 27
I think the issue is the pilot, or the tune. Both of those are cheaper to fix than buying a skinnier ski.
post #3 of 27

You live in the East, and your narrowest ski is 88?

 

Of course you should own a carving ski.  You don't need one, but it will be a blast, and make skiing more fun.

 

I live in the PNW, and I can easily get by with nothing narrower than a mid-90s ski.  "Get by" being the key there.  I have FAR more fun on groomer days on a pair of 80 mm frontside carvers.

 

There are so many frontside carvers, and I'm hungry, but I will note that there is a KILLER deal going on right now on Volkl Codes through Ski Essentials.

post #4 of 27

A 18M to 21M cheater GS or older 21-23M GS ski would bring lots of grins for groomer ripping.  

I love my Brahmas for playing on everything from hardpack to fresh fluff and trees, but you can't beat something that's 68 to 72mm underfoot for the sheer grip and speed they generate on the hard stuff.

post #5 of 27

I also live and ski in the east, my everyday ski is 89 under foot. Get your MX88's tuned by a good shop. They should be fine if you have the skills.

 

I'm 5'11" 195-200lbs (61y/o), my next ski is a 106mm my fat skis are 119mm. all used in the east.

 

My 119's are 183cm 2011 Volkl Shiro's. They are a blast in the spring time. Good edge hold on the morning firm stuff and great in the softer snow.

 

I tune my own skis and all 3 have the same basic feel to me, they are all Volkl skis.

 

At your young age you might want something in the 75-80mm range also.

post #6 of 27
I won't do it. You definitely need more skis.
post #7 of 27
An MX88 is not a carving ski. Even with a 0.5/4 tune. Just because a sedan has high performance tires on it doesn't make it a sports car.

Just get the carver.
post #8 of 27

True carvers are more fun, so as long as you think fun is a good thing ..... ;)

 

Oh, and all Stockli, all the time. The investment is sound, probably even better return than for kastles.

post #9 of 27
Thread Starter 

Thanks everyone for the prompt replies.

 

To those who are skeptical of the idea, I admit it's totally possible my skills/tune have something to do with it.  But surely 88 wide skis aren't going to be as good at speed on ice as narrower ones?  I have had them tuned recently, so while it might be a bad tune, it's not the absence of one.

 

If I were to get something new, should I be targeting the 68-72 width models?  I honestly do feel like the skis I'm on carve about as well as could be expected of a mid-fat all mountain ski, perhaps that's wrong though?

 

BTW, I'm not saying it's impossible to ski them (even going plenty fast) in icy conditions.  That's obviously not true, you can ski much wider skis in icy conditions (and I have done that).  I'm just saying that I feel like they have speed limit given my height, weight, the ski length and those conditions.  As a result, I suspect I would enjoy a narrower, stiff ski more at least some of the time.  The question I'm trying to get a sense for is whether the delta will be large enough to justify the price.

 

Any model recs?  Still not sure I'll pull the trigger but advice appreciated.

post #10 of 27
Waist width has zero to do with stability at speed. How do you think that big mountain skiers ski big mountain faces at 60+mph with wide skis?

Despite what others are saying, the mx88 is a carving ski, and you shouldn't be having problems with it on hard snow. It might be slower edge to edge than a narrower ski, but at real world resort speeds that ski shouldn't have any problems.

If you want a GS ski go ahead and get one though, have fun!

Just a hunch, but what boots are you in?
post #11 of 27

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Originally Posted by clink83 View Post


Despite what others are saying, the mx88 is a carving ski, and you shouldn't be having problems with it on hard snow. It might be slower edge to edge than a narrower ski, but at real world resort speeds that ski shouldn't have any problems.
 

 

You have never skied a MX88, Brahma or Kendo back to back with a cheater GS or front side ski have you?

post #12 of 27
Rossi Hero Master 21m in 180.
Since you want speed. Which is not the same as carving per se. Hard to tell what you want. Demo an Mx83 to see the difference. There's a length problem though, it's 173 or 83.

In re reading the op in some ways I agree with clink83 about the speed issue and the Mx88. Also the pilot and the tune. What is the tune?

Speed shouldn't be that big of an issue with an MX88. Also, keeping up with a friend "who used to race" can mean just about anything. But if they did it for awhile and were good, why would you expect to?
post #13 of 27
Thread Starter 

I would like to be able to be in control, carving turns, at speed on icy trails.  My thought was that narrower might help with that?  I dunno, I have not extensively tested skis so maybe what I want is to be a better skier.  Definitely willing to consider the possibility that it's more me than the ski...FWIW in good conditions I have never felt like my MXs had a speed limit.  This is really exclusively a hard surface/eastern ice issue.

 

And you are correct keeping up with my friend is unrealistic, they were good enough to be substantially better at skiing than I am.  The hope was to at least close some of the gear specialization deficit.

 

As far as boots, I have very wide feet.  I recently gave up on a pair of custom fit boots which never fit right after far too long hoping they would get better.  That iteration is the majority of what I'm basing this request on, I did spring for new boots that are vastly more comfortable at the end of last season.  High hopes I found the right thing this time.

post #14 of 27

I live in the east too, and the narrowest ski I use is the 178 MX88.  Granted I ski in no VT primarily.

 

That's what I'm on most days when it hasn't snowed, and for my purposes, they carve ice well enough and have adequate top end (no chatter) that I don't desire anything narrower. I do 75/3.

 

I think the master GS suggestions are good, given your age and athleticism.  To each his own, but I'd rather be on a race ski than a 70-something carver.  I have a bunch of race skis from when I used to do that, and I occasionally bring out my R27 GS skis.  They do the trick.  Actually want to do that more.  Also would love to try the 173 MX83s.

post #15 of 27
Thread Starter 
Just out of curiosity, the people who are saying the cheater GS wouldn't help, what conditions/needs would cause you to recommend it?

As I turn this over in my head I think there obviously is no urgency here. The right answer is probably an MX88 is sufficient and see how much help a better boot situation gives. Question is how much self control I have over the summer on new ski purchases.

Thanks all!
post #16 of 27

You ski the east on fair sized hills and you like speed. You need a cheater or real GS ski.

 

Head, Fischer, Stockli, Kaestle will do nicely. 

 

Stockli Laser, Fischer WC RC, Head i. speed, Kaestle RX will also fit the bill.

post #17 of 27
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Originally Posted by AngryBadger View Post

Just out of curiosity, the people who are saying the cheater GS wouldn't help, what conditions/needs would cause you to recommend it?
The cheater GS would help when the skier has the skill to ski them properly. Waist width doesn't mean much anymore, despite what some posters on this forum think. The mx88 is a highly regarded full camber flat tailed ski. If you can't get the ski to work, a GS ski is going to punish you even worse.
If you want to spend money on equipment, spend it on a good pair of race boots and fitting. That will help you more in difficult conditions more than a new ski.
Edited by clink83 - 1/14/16 at 5:52am
post #18 of 27
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Originally Posted by clink83 View Post

The cheater GS would help when the skier has the skill to ski them properly. Waist width doesn't mean much anymore, despite what some posters on this forum think. The mx88 is a highly regarded full camber flat tailed ski. If you can't get the ski to work, a GS ski is going to punish you even worse.
If you want to spend money on equipment, spend it on a good pair of race boots and fitting. That will help you more in difficult conditions more than a new ski.

Where do you ski?
post #19 of 27
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Originally Posted by clink83 View Post


The mx88 is a highly regarded full camber flat tailed ski. If you can't get the ski to work, a GS ski is going to punish you even worse.

 

This is a good point.  Even though I got behind the cheater GS idea, I agree with this.

post #20 of 27
It doesn't matter where I ski, as there are plenty of skiers on hard snow east or west coast skiing that ski on hard snow. There are plenty of east coast skiers skiing 80-90mm skis, as evident in this thread.

I ski at Bogus Basin, hard snow capitol of the west.
post #21 of 27
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by clink83 View Post


The cheater GS would help when the skier has the skill to ski them properly. Waist width doesn't mean much anymore, despite what some posters on this forum think. The mx88 is a highly regarded full camber flat tailed ski. If you can't get the ski to work, a GS ski is going to punish you even worse.
If you want to spend money on equipment, spend it on a good pair of race boots and fitting. That will help you more in difficult conditions more than a new ski.

Isn't this sort of a weird catch 22?  It may not be wrong, but it's weird to say that because I want a narrower ski I am not good enough to appreciate it.

 

To be fair to you, I would agree that an MX-88 is about 80-95% of my platonic ideal of the spec I'm looking for here (which is part of why I love them).  Your point may be that it is more likely I am not good enough to appreciate a GS ski than one of the probably small group of people who would find them a large improvement versus a MX-88. 

 

It sounds like the point is at least controversial enough my request in the title has been fulfilled, I am unsure whether the money would fix the problem I'm having.  I'll see how it goes for another year then revisit.

 

edit: also, good point about the boots. New ones are fitted (as were the old), so we'll see how it goes.


Edited by AngryBadger - 1/14/16 at 6:31am
post #22 of 27

Talk me out of buying another pair of skis

OK, that's easy....  just buy me a new pair instead..........it will be a win/win :beercheer: 

post #23 of 27

I can't talk you out of buying new skis, but I can give a report real soon on my new Rossi Hero Master, 175 cm, 18m radius.  As the owner of Pierce Skate and Ski said to me, in Bloomington, Mn, in front of my wife much to my chagrin, "you are what I refer to as a serial ski purchaser, which is an approach I advocate!"

post #24 of 27
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Originally Posted by trailtrimmer View Post
 

 

You have never skied a MX88, Brahma or Kendo back to back with a cheater GS or front side ski have you?


I was just thinking the same thing.

 

check out http://www.skiessentials.com/ and may be pick up a leftover race ski from a few years ago if they have one.


Edited by Max Capacity - 1/14/16 at 7:10am
post #25 of 27
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I'll see how it goes for another year then revisit.
You should at least try something else.
Or...wait a year..contemplate..wait another year.
post #26 of 27
Thread Starter 
Haha, good point. Demo here I come!
post #27 of 27
Thread Starter 
For those curious, it was recently pointed out to me by the lady in my life that despite my self image as someone who skis on the east coast a bit over half the time, I can't usually be bothered to do the day trips anymore.

In a total 180, I am now considering powder specific skis that are wider than my FX104s. Massive flip flop.
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