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post #1 of 5
Thread Starter 

Hi everyone,

 

First a few stats; I'm skiing a 178 Blizzard Cochise, with 25.5 Head Raptors (120).  I'm 165-170#, 5'8", 30 year old male skier, I spend the majority of my days in trees, bumps and alpine bowls (when light allows), groomers tend to be limited to a morning warmup and a last run out but are still fun as well.  Most of my time however, is off-piste, in bounds.

 

Just before Christmas I replaced the stock liner in my raptors, as it had long since packed out, with a pair of Zipfit gara liners.  I've got 5 days on them so far (with no foot bed at all), and wanted to share my impressions/get some feedback from those who have far more experience than I.

 

  • First up, I like the way they ski (I think...).  They hold my ankle really well.  They stiffened the 120 raptor up to a 130ish [obligatory flex ratings aren't standardized or measurable comment here - this is a feeling that they've been stiffened 10% or so..], they're responsive, and i like the feedback i can get in the boot - from my skis.  Because I like the way they ski, I don't want to just cave in to the below comments
  • I have to put on my boots in 2 steps now, Liner on the Foot, then Foot+Liner In the shell.  Not a big deal, but annoying none the less.
  • Before buckling the boot, the "throat" is WIDE open.  If I didn't know better (and my friend literally asked me this on the weekend), I'd think the liners are a size larger than the boot (they're not, both 25.5).  Once they're buckled, the boots do seem to close up well enough.
  • Despite looking like they're closed up; they let in a lot of snow.  the entire red 'toe pad' pieces were covered in packed snow after a day at Silverstar.  Chunks of snow and ice are left in the boot shell when I get the boots off.  Enough so that I might even be able to make a golf ball sized snowball.
  • they are painful on my ankle bones (The bony, knobby balls on either side of my ankle - Malleous I think they're called?).  After a day of skiing, they feel as if they've been hit square in the middle with a hammer a few times.  I feel like when turning, I'm simply pressing my Malleous into a hard wall - over and over and over again, all day long.  I don't feel any particular "OW that hurt!!" kind of pain, but after a whole day.... they hurt.
  • My feet are cold - something I've never experienced in a ski boot before.  
  • Once I'm buckled in, it's not long before my feet are tingly, and then flat out fall asleep.  I've been able to get them to wake up again after a few runs so far; but the first couple chairs are very unpleasant and I'm sure this is leading to my cold toes.  Day 5 absolutely was better than Day 1.
  • Walking in them HURTS my ankle (Malleous) bones.  Note, I'm not talking hiking back to the car; I boot up inside like a civilized person, but walking anywhere; around the daylodge at lunch, up the stairs from the gondola to the lodge, etc.
  • Removing my boots, damn that sucks.  I have to remove the liner from the boot, with my foot still in the liner, then remove the liner; which isn't in and of itself a huge deal, however I've always had issues pulling my foot out of the Head Raptors, and the Zipfits make this worse.

 

A lot of reading there, sorry; I'll let it all digest for a moment....

Alright, enough time - on to the questions:

 

  1. Is it normal for the liner to look absolutely stuffed into the shell?  I have verified a couple times, shell and liner are both the same size, so I'm thinking this is just a function of the liner needs some time to settle and pack a little bit...  Is it normal for so much snow to be intruding?
  2. Cold feet - I'm already wearing thin socks, and removing the boot to change socks mid-day is not an option - the boots are simply too difficult to remove to warrant me changing socks.
  3. Ankle pain?  Is this normal with the Zipfits?  I can feel some pretty well defined indents in the inside of the liner, and even see it on the outside of the liner.  Is this going to get better as they break in a bit more?  I feel as if there's simply no cushion whatsoever in between those bones, and the shell of my boot.
  4. Sleepy Feet?  Hopefully somebody will tell me here that they're still packing out, and day 6/7/8 will all be subsequently better than the last?  
  5. Walking Ankle Pain - thoughts?
  6. and finally, removing the boots.  Any advice?  Current process is to let them warm up awhile (all 3 of my skier friends already have their boots off, and are packing to leave before I even start trying to get my boots off), then with 1 hand on the back of the shell, and the other opening 1 side of the shell, I flex my knee forward, and heel up, to try to force my ankle around the kink in the boot.  
    1. My problem with this is (and I've always had this problem), I feel as if I don't have enough range of motion in my ankle, to really bend around the kink in the boot, and I THINK the zipfits, being stiffer than my stock foam liners, simply accentuate this issue.  My ankle actually get's "trapped" in, and "bitten" by the kink, sometimes I'm able to get the boot off as I'm falling out of my chair, other times I have to stop, push my foot back in, and catch my breath a few moments before trying again.

 

Thanks all for your advice and feedback.  Much appreciated.

post #2 of 5

1)  yes,  might not be that the liner is loose, but just a tight shell fit

2)  yes,  zips are colder then a stock liner.   boot heaters

3)   with no footbed, your ankle will move/collapse inward and hit the shell.   Zips dont offer much extra padding, and without a footbed your foot can/might move more

4)   might pack out a bit more, but not much

5)   see 3

6)   yes,  zips are hard to get on.

post #3 of 5

your final comment about not having enough range of motion in your ankle to bend around the kink in the boot..... if it is that tight then there probably isn't enough to stand in that boot without loading the ball of the foot and sending the toes cold

 

that, and everything Dave said above

 

did you have the liners and shells heated when you got the zipfit?  this is a key part of getting that liner to interface with a tight fitting shell

 

time to revisit your boot fitter and have them adjusted

post #4 of 5
Thread Starter 

hmm... Well that's all very interesting, thanks for the info gentlemen.

 

My Zips were not heated up when I purchased them, my shells were briefly - to get them pliable enough for the fitter to get my foot+Zipfit in.  Once I was in the boot, everything felt good - tight, but no pressure points/hot spots etc.  

 

Is there supposed to be a "fitting process" for zipfits?  For the record, I did purchase from a reputable boot fitter (somebody on here as well), and kind of assumed that I'd be taken care of properly.

 

I've been skiing for several years in the basic trim to fit Red Hot Superfeet; I'll try to get them back in, and ski on them a few days, hopefully they help out my ankle pain.

 

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 if it is that tight then there probably isn't enough to stand in that boot without loading the ball of the foot and sending the toes cold

 

CEM that's an interesting comment.  I've never considered it before, but when I do have to simply stand in the boot (Gondola Line etc.) I find that in order to do it comfortably, I damn near have to "lean" on the tongue of my boot with my shin.  Standing with a fairly deep (IMHO anyways) bend in my knee....

Are you saying that this is putting pressure on the ball of my foot, which hinders the bloodflow into my toes somewhat?  Just curious if I'm understanding the mechanics properly.

 

I'm going to see about doing a shell fit in my boots this evening, and hopefully take a couple pictures to see where I'm at.

post #5 of 5
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Originally Posted by BrendonR View Post

 

I've been skiing for several years in the basic trim to fit Red Hot Superfeet; I'll try to get them back in, and ski on them a few days, hopefully they help out my ankle pain.

 

I'm going to see about doing a shell fit in my boots this evening, and hopefully take a couple pictures to see where I'm at.

 

Well I've skied in the boots and Zips again; got my off the shelf superfeet back in and with the exception of a few periods of pain, I think they were better.  When standing in the first few lift lines of the day, my feet hurt all over - no real pressure point or "source" I could really discern - they just hurt all over.  Once on the lift and sitting, the pain would subside, then skiing, would be gone.  After a few laps - I actually wasn't noticing any real pain at the bottom either.

 

I also noticed just about immediately, that walking in the boot was much, MUCH easier on my ankle.

 

I'm thinking that my feet were just re-adjusting to having an insole again, and a bit surprised at how snug they were in the boot.

 

Regarding the shell fit - I did check that the other night as well while fitting the superfeet in, and noted that I have probably between 7-10mm room at the back of the boot.  I used a pen to drop into the back of the shell, and it would actually sit very nicely pinched between my heel and back of the shell.  I also noticed that the shell seems to be a bit 'close' to my ankle bones (inside of the leg) - and felt that I might have figured out a contributing factor for that Malleous pain from earlier.

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