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I need new skis! Fast groomers for eastern Quebec small trails

post #1 of 20
Thread Starter 

I've been stealth reading the forum for a few months now but I'm still unsure what I should go for. I now some highly knowledgeable people here can give me some advice so I'll try to keep my post short and to the point.

 

  1. Where in the world are you skiing? Each weekend from early December to the last day of the season, eastern Quebec with 2-3 eastern US (Vermont/NH) day trips per year. 

  2. What kinds of terrain do you prefer? hard packed groomers with icy spots

  3. How many days a year do you ski? 25-35

  4. How advanced are you as a skier? 41yo expert. 30+ years experience. Still taking lessons though. Never enough technique.

  5. What's your height and weight? 5'8" 184 pounds, in good shape / very good shape but I drink too much beer and wine... :)

 

I have a pair of Volkl Tigershark 10 feet (no switch) witch I love(d). Before that it was AC50's. Every year I demo some stuff whenever "they" (retail shops or company reps) come to the mountain but I've never really found something that made me want to cheat on my 10ft. Until now. I tried both an Elan race SL and SLX and ended the day with blue balls. Sorry about the inappropriate analogy but it's my way of telling how much fun I had. Although the rep explained to me the difference between the SL and the SLX I couldn't tell the difference with the conditions we had (wet heavy soft snow).

 

I loved the feeling of high G's and quick fast short radius full carve turns, and that radius is perfect for our narrow trails up here in the east. The edge grip was great and I knew I could thrust them to keep up even with icy patches or small snow mounts even though I was ripping like a maniac around noobs who had no business being where they where. I vividly remember a lady stopped on the side in a "Y" crossing, seeing me coming down fast and hard, and then backing up as much as she could all the while looking at me with wide open scarred eyes. I did say "I'm sorry" passing beside her.

 

My questions is: what skis are similar and that could I compare and demo before making a final decision and pulling the trigger?

 

 

Thanks!

post #2 of 20
FWIW, I ski in the east and carvers are a big part of the quiver. Added last year's Head I.sl to replace an older Fischer wc sl and am fired up by its power. My pops runs an I.speed and this is a different animal. On the GS front, been stockpiling Nordica Dobermann Pro's in any length. For me, it has the build quality and ripper slingshot without it being a full on race stock. Great for narrow east coast trails. My philosophy has always been find older models and get 2 (or 3) for the price of one new. Pick off high din bindings online, and know what shop has the jigs. In the east, selection makes the day.
post #3 of 20

Pretty much any consumer (non-FIS) slalom race ski, or a race carver.  Something like a Fischer WC 

SC or Superior SC or a Head Supershape i.Speed.

post #4 of 20

Rossignol Hero ST TI.  My favorite ski ever.  I ski the same crap you do and I love it.  I also have the LT version, just as much fun. 

 

Pete

post #5 of 20

Fischer WC SC, Head i.race, Head i. Supershape Speed. Stockli Lazer SX, Stckli SL,  Fischer WC SL. 

post #6 of 20

Have skied some in your neck of the woods. If you have the $$, Stockli SX or SC, Kastle RX12. If a touch less $$, Blizzard G Force FS or Head Supershape iSpeed. Not sure I'd go for a flat out race ski, just because your groomers aren't always just smooth ice; I recall a lot of bumps and clumps of crud.

post #7 of 20

If you liked them then go with them!

The difference between the sl and slx is that the slx has 2 sheets of titanal instead of one...You also have 3 choice of slx with slightly different sidecut but mostly difference concerning bindings and plates: slx fusion, slx fis plate and slx team plate... Do you remember which one you tried?

post #8 of 20
Thread Starter 

After all these sound suggestions I went and had a nice long chat with my local preferred ski shop and I'm going to demo the rossignol hero ST TI tomorrow. I'll let you guys know what I thought about them over the weekend.

 

Cheers and thanks!

post #9 of 20

I skied the Rossi cheater skis, 167 cm. earlier this year in crappy NH conditions. It was a dream! My normal skis are Blizzard Brahmas 173. I'd buy one of these tomorrow if I wasn't spending so much money going skiing!

post #10 of 20

Tracedebreak,  keep us posted regarding your impressions of the Rossi.  Try the LT as well, I found it quite forgiving when carving them and much happier than the ST when I have to dump speed and skid them due to too many people in front of me.  I'm sure it has to do with the larger radius, making the tip and tail less catchy.  With that said, I still prefer to ski the ST on groomers. I find it interesting that these skis, and the ones like it made by other manufacturers, are considered specialty/niche skis.  They are fast, stable hold incredibly well on hard conditions, plenty of pop, but soft enough that you don't get your ass handed to you if ease off the throttle or are just plain tired and want to mello a bit.  Pete

post #11 of 20
Thread Starter 

Skis: Rossi Hero ST TI (cheaters, 167cm).

Ski time: 9:00am to 15:30pm

Temperature: -20 Celsius (-4 Fahrenheit) in the morning moving slowly to -10 (14 Fahrenheit) at the end of the day. 

Snow: Groomed, very hard packed snow. VERY fast. No ice. No cruds. Some artificial snow (20%) that did not impact speed because of the location of it.

Very little traffic. No weaving or waiting.   

 

This is NOT a review of these skis: you can find plenty of those on this forum or online done by professionals. This is an experience as a non-professional, family oriented, advance intermediate / expert skier who owns only 1, count them, 1 pair of ski, looking to buy a new set. (And I'll keep my old pair, so that's 2 pairs of ski...)

 

First impression: Very easy ski to initiate. Extra good edge hold. The rockers do an awesome job of getting you in the turn before you having any work to do (that's why they're the "cheaters" right?). I've got to start by saying that I'm a recreational, non-pro skier, unconfirmed level 2 (according to some level 3-4's I've skied with) skier and I got bad habits that hurts my technique (don't we all): my weight distribution is around 80-20 to 70-30, meaning that I put 80% or 70% of my weight on my outside ski while turning. So the 2-3 first runs I knew something was wrong but I couldn't figure out what: the outside ski was sometime wobbling at (very) high speed, high G's turn. So I went back to basics, dropped the poles for 2 runs, concentrated on my legs and angles (lower body angles vs upper body angles), and thought hard about my technique and what I was doing. The feeling I got once I distributed my weight 60-40 going on 55-45 was fabulous: the skis were singing the opera. Then, and only then, did the Rossi bit even more and made me look like the pro I'm not. :) I spent my day wanting to improve my technique remembering, and being conscious, of all the little details that could push up theses skis and see where they could bring me: shifting my weight a bit more front side during initiation, turning my upper body a couple of hours (10 o'clock - 2 o'clock technique) towards my destination, less leaning with the turn and more counter leaning with my upper body in steep fast turns, etc. Everything worked and improved my experience. My impression, at the end of the day, is that it made me a better skier. What I'm trying to say is that these skis were very nice, even with my flaws, were very forgiving, and got even better with an improved technique. They could've benefited from a tad more sharpness (should've brought my edge sharpener).

 

Next up: Head i.Supershape Speed. But that could be as long as 3-4 weeks from now, going back to my 10ft until then.

 

A big thanks go to everyone who posted recommendations, and to @peterk123.

 

Until then, fellow skiers, keep the beer cold.

 

PS: I'm French Canadien so my technique description are French terms translate to English. I hope I've explained things clearly but if my jargon is incomprehensible, it's my fault and my fault only, and not the fault of my fellow skiers or the members of this forum.

post #12 of 20

In Rossi also try the Pursuit 800 a great groomer ski but a little more forgiving than the Hero's but still lively.

post #13 of 20
Thread Starter 
I've tried the Head i.Supershape Speed but the turn radius is exactly the same as my Volkl 10 feet: 14.3m, but with less side edge grip (I checked the edges for sharpeness and they were fine). I know this sounds weird but it's just how I feel. And I can't push the speed harder to get a shorter radius: it'll just spring back and leave me on my ass. I re-tried the Elan race SL and they rock, and in my opinion, more then the 2 others (Rossi Hero, Head iSupershape speed). On a side note, I've tried all three pairs on the same day, in the same conditions, 3 runs each.

The pursuit 800 as a 15m turn radius so I'm not even going to try them. I'm looking for something with shorter (11-13 meter range). FYI: The Race SL have a 12.4 radius, while the Hero is 13m.

Next up: Atomic redster D2 SL and fisher RC4 WC SC.
post #14 of 20

Tracedebreak,

 

In my previous post I said; I'm spending too much money on skiing therefore not buying the Hero..... Guess what, logic and passion do not go hand in hand! So, I'm getting ready to pull the trigger on the Rossignol Hero.

 

I was wondering if you could help me clear one thing. Not sure if the skis I demoed about a month ago were Elite ST or Elite ST-TI. The tech referred to them as "cheater slalom". A more forgiving version of the race version, but on paper both the ST and ST-TI meet that criteria. I reached out to the shop but haven't heard back. Do you know which one is referred to as the "cheater", and my needs are very much in line with yours, have you considered the ST? If so, how does it stack up against ST-TI?

 

Merci bien!

 

Sam

post #15 of 20
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Originally Posted by Damavand View Post
 

Tracedebreak,

 

In my previous post I said; I'm spending too much money on skiing therefore not buying the Hero..... Guess what, logic and passion do not go hand in hand! So, I'm getting ready to pull the trigger on the Rossignol Hero.

 

I was wondering if you could help me clear one thing. Not sure if the skis I demoed about a month ago were Elite ST or Elite ST-TI. The tech referred to them as "cheater slalom". A more forgiving version of the race version, but on paper both the ST and ST-TI meet that criteria. I reached out to the shop but haven't heard back. Do you know which one is referred to as the "cheater", and my needs are very much in line with yours, have you considered the ST? If so, how does it stack up against ST-TI?

 

Merci bien!

 

Sam

They are both cheaters but the ST does not have the titanal layers.  Do you recall if the three "stripes"  on the top sheet toward the tip were black or silver?  Silver is the TI version, black is non-TI.  

 

Pete

post #16 of 20

Pete, Unfortunately I don't remember. I already ordered the TI and haven't heard back from demo shop. Just don't want a ski that has to be skied full-on all the time -- hope I'm making the righ decision!. Thank you for your reply

 

Best,

 

sam

post #17 of 20

You will not be disappointed.  I have the ST and LT, both TI.  Plenty of pop but they have yet to punish me if I lay off them a bit.  I find the ST does not like to be thrown sideways much, but I think that is because it is a slalom ski and the tips and tails catch.  I am on the ST TI 95% of the time now.  I even take them into the bumps on occasion.  It is a stupid fun ski.  Keep us posted.  Love to hear what you think of them once you put some miles on them.  Pete

post #18 of 20

Much appreciate it. I'm supposed to pick them up in a couple of weeks in Canada. Taking a week long clinic up in Mont Saint Anne with the one and only, JF! I I;ll keep you posted.

post #19 of 20
Thread Starter 

I'm sure you won't be disappointed. As for the full-on part, I have the same attitude but everytime I stop being full-on because I'm tired or I'm just following the kids around, I stop having fun. So I end up going back full-on, regardless. You can't go wrong. If you end up not liking them, let me know while you're in St-Anne: I'll just buy them from you... 25% less then what you paid for them... :P

Just kidding. 

 

Do keep us posted!

 

Frank

post #20 of 20

Frank for that (selling you the skis) to happen, you have to come to Saint-Anne and make a few turns with me. After all its in your back yard! I don't like to push all the time but frankly can't remember when I relaxed the entire run either and I'm pushing 52!

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