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post #61 of 76
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No resort needed.
https://youtu.be/qRv7G7WpOoU

Sorry but I really cant applaud that. I mean everything is all wonderful and fun.........right up until they would smash into a car or a pole or whatever. And even if no one gets hurt they damage some else's car.  And what about an emergency vehicle who may get delayed even if only under a minute because they are in their way while someone's life hangs in the balance till they can get to them? What if they got hurt and had to then utilize emergency services themselves taking away from someone else who needed them and putting others in danger just getting to them? The list goes on and on. To be honest as fun as it may seem...the whole thing is just stupid. Yes I know..... "take a chill pill"  right?   nothing happened and all went well right?........but the problem is just like everything its all always ok...,,,but that's only right up until it isn't. Sorry but just cant applaud that. Nothing makes him/them above all else.

post #62 of 76
^^ I didn't exactly see reckless driving there. Looked pretty controlled. Probably talked to the cops before esp near Times Square.
So you don't love snow in the city either? Or was the snowboarder the problem? They're always dangerous, scraping all the snow off, making ice, and scaring everyone.

Btw, MLK weekend was quite good. Rare to get three good days but it happened. Warm, frozen, then fresh snow. Not bad. Traditionally there's a brutal cold or liquid event on monday but not this year.
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No resort needed.
https://youtu.be/qRv7G7WpOoU
Sorry but I really cant applaud that. I mean everything is all wonderful and fun.........right up until they would smash into a car or a pole or whatever. And even if no one gets hurt they damage some else's car.  And what about an emergency vehicle who may get delayed even if only under a minute because they are in their way while someone's life hangs in the balance till they can get to them? What if they got hurt and had to then utilize emergency services themselves taking away from someone else who needed them and putting others in danger just getting to them? The list goes on and on. To be honest as fun as it may seem...the whole thing is just stupid. Yes I know..... "take a chill pill"  right?   nothing happened and all went well right?........but the problem is just like everything its all always ok...,,,but that's only right up until it isn't. Sorry but just cant applaud that. Nothing makes him/them above all else.

Man, you really do need to get out and go skiing, don't you?
post #64 of 76
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^^ I didn't exactly see reckless driving there. Looked pretty controlled. Probably talked to the cops before esp near Times Square.
So you don't love snow in the city either? Or was the snowboarder the problem? They're always dangerous, scraping all the snow off, making ice, and scaring everyone.

Btw, MLK weekend was quite good. Rare to get three good days but it happened. Warm, frozen, then fresh snow. Not bad. Traditionally there's a brutal cold or liquid event on monday but not this year.

eehh, the whole thing was just not smart for reasons above and 10 other ones.

 

Glad MLK was good for you. Poconos got good dump of course with this past storm. I was going to make the drive sunday morning but too exhausted from digging out twice on Saturday (last time to 10pm).   And I also didn't want a 6am 2 hour drive to turn into a 4 hour one due to the road conditions. Snow didn't stop till well after midnight. Hoping to do something somewhere this weekend :). hope no family obs are in the way.

post #65 of 76
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Man, you really do need to get out and go skiing, don't you?


Yea , I do...lol  ....but really its just a matter understanding what that really was. It looked cool and awesome. I almost wish I was doing it in one sense cause it seemed fun to do. basically having Manhattan to yourself and do that....pretty cool. But still bad for many important reasons given.

post #66 of 76
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Yea , I do...lol  ....but really its just a matter understanding what that really was. It looked cool and awesome. I almost wish I was doing it in one sense cause it seemed fun to do. basically having Manhattan to yourself and do that....pretty cool. But still bad for many important reasons given.

 

I suspect there are a whole lot of things that go on in NYC that are plenty dangerous (cyclists, skate boarders, inline skaters, etc.), that this isn't so out of line given the emptiness of the road. Certainly, there's a difference between 1 car doing it, versus a lot all over the city. When it's 1 it can be shrugged off (and should be I think - I think the cops made the right call). If it's a lot, then something may have to be done.

post #67 of 76
When it's snowing in Manhattan it's just fun. The nightmare starts later with piles all over the place and trudging through dirty slush. But when it's coming down or just has, it's quiet, nearly empty of cars and quite beautiful. People are happy. Those cars there are move with a quiet muffled sound and there's no honking. A different world.
Then in a couple days they get pretty sick of it.

Now if you have a car parked on the street it's pretty much a nightmare but there's some fun to be had first before digging. - several times as one's spot always gets taken.
post #68 of 76
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I suspect there are a whole lot of things that go on in NYC that are plenty dangerous (cyclists, skate boarders, inline skaters, etc.), that this isn't so out of line given the emptiness of the road. Certainly, there's a difference between 1 car doing it, versus a lot all over the city. When it's 1 it can be shrugged off (and should be I think - I think the cops made the right call). If it's a lot, then something may have to be done.

I here ya. But let me ask a couple Q's to play devils advocate if you don't mind.

If you noticed early in the vid how close he come to a parked minivan and also the back-ho vehicle. He happens to lose himself and hits his head there? God only knows if he even gets up again. Or what about if a loved one of yours was at home having a heart attack where literally seconds  are the difference between life and death and the nearest emt crew was tending to him insetad of your loved one? Or if they were on their way to you but he and his vehicle delayed them even 1/2 a minute? In the end you lost your loved one. Sure I know one can say this is an over exaggeration but actually its one of the very exact reasons they placed the ban.  On a much lessor note- What if simply your vehicle was out there and he hit it with himself and his board edge and gouged half the side, broke your mirror, and dented the fender? What if kids were playing near the parked cars and he hit one of them? I can go on and on. The point is that while none of this stuff happened its just like anything else we do that we are not suppose to do. Its all always fine and "ok" and no big deal and those who don't like it are being unreasonable.....but truth is its only ok and fine only right up until something stupid or serious happens and then its like ..."oh crap"....but its then of course too late.

 

Look, I'm not losing sleep over this and as said it seemed a lot of fun and very cool in a way to do. But there were too many reasons it shouldn't have been done. People who do things like this (when and where they are not suppose to) are basically saying a big FU to everyone because you never know what events could have transpired that were part of the reasons they placed a vehicle ban in the first place. It wasn't just a vehicle either...it was also what they were doing that added a whole lot more to the possible potential problems.  It wasnt just done for the snow plows. It was done so the plows and emergency vehicles can get around. No one needed to nor had the right to intentionally add a potential problem and imo that's what they did. Imo the cops made the wrong call there. The reasons were just too important to ignore. But that's just my opinion :)

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I here ya. But let me ask a couple Q's to play devils advocate if you don't mind.

If you noticed early in the vid how close he come to a parked minivan and also the back-ho vehicle. He happens to lose himself and hits his head there? God only knows if he even gets up again. Or what about if a loved one of yours was at home having a heart attack where literally seconds  are the difference between life and death and the nearest emt crew was tending to him insetad of your loved one? Or if they were on their way to you but he and his vehicle delayed them even 1/2 a minute? In the end you lost your loved one. Sure I know one can say this is an over exaggeration but actually its one of the very exact reasons they placed the ban.  On a much lessor note- What if simply your vehicle was out there and he hit it with himself and his board edge and gouged half the side, broke your mirror, and dented the fender? What if kids were playing near the parked cars and he hit one of them? I can go on and on. The point is that while none of this stuff happened its just like anything else we do that we are not suppose to do. Its all always fine and "ok" and no big deal and those who don't like it are being unreasonable.....but truth is its only ok and fine only right up until something stupid or serious happens and then its like ..."oh crap"....but its then of course too late.

 

Sure to all of that. But there are a million things in the city that have the same effects. I know people in NYC (and other major cities) whose cars are dented a lot from random incidents that they don't have time to care about. I think this falls into the same category. Trying to be so perfect that you prevent every eventuality in a large city like New York is not possible. That thinking, if taken too far, eventually leads to things like "you can't stand in front of the door to your building, because you might cause a 2 second delay in someone exiting in an emergency". 

 

That's not to excuse bad behavior, but this wasn't bad behavior - just something that would normally not be allowed; And was rightly allowed in this case for no other reason than the smiles it brought to folks (including the cops I assume). There's value in that too.

post #70 of 76
Dude, seriously??

It's a couple people towing a freakin snowboarder and a skier.
I can remember kids hanging on to cars and trucks on skateboards and rollerblades in the city. I particularly remember two hanging on the back of a Winnebego. Down like 9th Ave. Now that's crazy.

Maybe worry about crimes occuring on Wall Street. They have far more effect.
post #71 of 76
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Dude, seriously??

It's a couple people towing a freakin snowboarder and a skier.
I can remember kids hanging on to cars and trucks on skateboards and rollerblades in the city. I particularly remember two hanging on the back of a Winnebego. Down like 9th Ave. Now that's crazy.

Maybe worry about crimes occuring on Wall Street. They have far more effect.

Its not like I am ready to go out and have them arrested or I cant sleep thinking about what they did. Just explaining whats wrong with it. Other things people have done is not really relevant. And lets not get started on Wall street ...lol....some of those people need to be dragged behind a vehicle without a board if ys know what I mean.

 

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Sure to all of that. But there are a million things in the city that have the same effects. I know people in NYC (and other major cities) whose cars are dented a lot from random incidents that they don't have time to care about. I think this falls into the same category. Trying to be so perfect that you prevent every eventuality in a large city like New York is not possible. That thinking, if taken too far, eventually leads to things like "you can't stand in front of the door to your building, because you might cause a 2 second delay in someone exiting in an emergency". 

 

That's not to excuse bad behavior, but this wasn't bad behavior - just something that would normally not be allowed; And was rightly allowed in this case for no other reason than the smiles it brought to folks (including the cops I assume). There's value in that too.

The thing that it technically was not allowed and for good reason. It was after all a potential emergency situation or potential crisis situation the city was involved with. A 2foot snow blizzard is a crisis because it can and does paralyze a big city even if temporarily and it puts people lives at risk for a variety of different possible reasons and many of which are not even directly related to the blizzard but indirectly related.   Standing in a doorway for a few seconds is not a dyer situation unless there was smoke coming from the building. You see imo that's the difference. There is no immediate crisis but this was a crisis situation. Sure it was a preventative one but none the less just as important. You said earlier that if many were doing this then it would have to be stopped. It doesn't make things any less significant just because it was only one. Its only less chance for a problem, but that doesn't mean any less important. There was good reason (more than good reason) for the mayor to enforce a ban. Right , wrong, or indifferent, agree with him or not, it was done for the need of the many in their eyes for what was a crisis situation. Not at all was this under any normal circumstances what so ever like someone standing in a doorway with no threat of immediate problem but was one in which was a crisis situation with real threat of immediate problems and potential for others and they completely ignored that. There's a big difference imo between the two scenarios. I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.

post #72 of 76
Given the multiple shots and drone angles, etc., I'm sure the cops knew what was going on, in fact, I'm thinking that even the pull over was staged. Maybe not given official clearance by the city, but okayed by the guys on the ground. This was no 45 second GoPro.
post #73 of 76
The "crisis" was incredible. I mean people wandering the streets, taxi cabs.
post #74 of 76
Hey rollin, dude, please - you're killin' me with all this hand-wringing malarkey. Talk about over-reaching. I loved what they did. Well, at least the end result anyhow - and that's from a cop on Long Island for 33 years. Sure it can't be "officially condoned." I'm pretty sure they had no permission to do this and the city never would have granted it without some big $$$ filming permit, so they just did it. Yeah, they could have gotten hurt, but without people taking a few stupid chances now and then life would suck on the internet. My opinion, but I think the risks they took were probably minimal considering the lack of almost any other traffic and slow pace all around the city. I think it looked a lot more "reckless" that it actually was partly due to the way it was edited.

All this stuff about a couple second delay on an ambulance - what?? I'm pretty sure NYC is well equipped with ambulances and knows how to manage staffing during a snowstorm. People have been effing themselves up doing FAR STUPIDER shit than this in NYC ever since the invention of the wheel. I hope you have somebody to talk you down off the roof the next time there's a bunch of BLM protesters on television blocking off a major roadway, but nobody seems to bitch too much about that unless they're stuck behind them in traffic. I can see now why you don't want to drive all the way to VT! And if I was in that squad car, depending on a bunch of things, directly-related and not, it might have gone the other way. I don't know because I wasn't there. The cops clearly could have gotten jammed up for letting those guys continue (and unfortunately I wouldn't be surprised if they already are to some degree given the YouTube exposure), but sometimes you decide to make a judgement call whether some people like that "concept" or not. In fact - I think I probably would have told them they had to knock it off; I don't really know - it depends on what I'd seen up to that moment, but I would not have enjoyed shutting them down. However, I can't criticize those cops, or the film makers, just based on what I saw in that clip.

Sorry to be a jackass myself - but all this, "if it saves just one life," shit drives me nuts. I know that's not exactly the case here, but it's the same mindset. Now excuse me as I drive to work eating a ham egg and cheese sandwich while leaning over sideways so I don't drip melted cheese on my pants - while doing so is still legal. I admit it's "distracted driving," but I don't want to live in a world where I can't even drink a cup of coffee while driving my car because it's too dangerous. I love my breakfast sandwich just enough to be yet one more menace to society, but at least you can't say I didn't warn you. I also realize that by posting this - if I do run somebody over one day during breakfast (God-forbid, knock on wood, etc.), this post will have me screwed for life. Oh Hell, maybe you're right... I can't find the "duck" emoticon, so here's this instead: snowfight.gif
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Hey rollin, dude, please - you're killin' me with all this hand-wringing malarkey. Talk about over-reaching. I loved what they did. Well, at least the end result anyhow - and that's from a cop on Long Island for 33 years. Sure it can't be "officially condoned." I'm pretty sure they had no permission to do this and the city never would have granted it without some big $$$ filming permit, so they just did it. Yeah, they could have gotten hurt, but without people taking a few stupid chances now and then life would suck on the internet. My opinion, but I think the risks they took were probably minimal considering the lack of almost any other traffic and slow pace all around the city. I think it looked a lot more "reckless" that it actually was partly due to the way it was edited.

All this stuff about a couple second delay on an ambulance - what?? I'm pretty sure NYC is well equipped with ambulances and knows how to manage staffing during a snowstorm. People have been effing themselves up doing FAR STUPIDER shit than this in NYC ever since the invention of the wheel. I hope you have somebody to talk you down off the roof the next time there's a bunch of BLM protesters on television blocking off a major roadway, but nobody seems to bitch too much about that unless they're stuck behind them in traffic. I can see now why you don't want to drive all the way to VT! And if I was in that squad car, depending on a bunch of things, directly-related and not, it might have gone the other way. I don't know because I wasn't there. The cops clearly could have gotten jammed up for letting those guys continue (and unfortunately I wouldn't be surprised if they already are to some degree given the YouTube exposure), but sometimes you decide to make a judgement call whether some people like that "concept" or not. In fact - I think I probably would have told them they had to knock it off; I don't really know - it depends on what I'd seen up to that moment, but I would not have enjoyed shutting them down. However, I can't criticize those cops, or the film makers, just based on what I saw in that clip.

Sorry to be a jackass myself - but all this, "if it saves just one life," shit drives me nuts. I know that's not exactly the case here, but it's the same mindset. Now excuse me as I drive to work eating a ham egg and cheese sandwich while leaning over sideways so I don't drip melted cheese on my pants - while doing so is still legal. I admit it's "distracted driving," but I don't want to live in a world where I can't even drink a cup of coffee while driving my car because it's too dangerous. I love my breakfast sandwich just enough to be yet one more menace to society, but at least you can't say I didn't warn you. I also realize that by posting this - if I do run somebody over one day during breakfast (God-forbid, knock on wood, etc.), this post will have me screwed for life. Oh Hell, maybe you're right... I can't find the "duck" emoticon, so here's this instead: snowfight.gif

Good post. But Its not that I am over reacting and i am not in any uproar about it and even stated that it seemed fun and cool to do.  But I am just explaining what was wrong with it and why it was wrong as others respond. Being a cop (yourself) with due respect it doesn't exactly mean your personal view is any more right. Even doctors are wrong...lol..although not really funny.  As for the protesters blocking traffic I am with you and imo they should all be arrested. Boggles my mind how in the world that's allowed without major amounts of arrests and jail time. The disruption that causes to peoples lives is unforgivable. Children waiting for their parents, people missing vital appointments, people unable to tend to any of their own lives and needs as well as the disruption to any emergency. God forbid people died because of that, they should all go to jail for involuntary manslaughter imo. And a hundred other charges for any of the stress and disruptions they place on anyone affected.  Now I am really reacting greatly. I wasnt in any uproar over the stunt like I am with this BS you reminded me of. Sure its two different things. I am just explaining why it was wrong and also stupid imo. Its only going to be significant if something happened to them or indirectly to another person because of them. To that person it means everything.  as said...anything and everything is always ok and no big deal and just fine........but that's only right up until it turned out bad for someone.

 

To any person that could have been affected by this via the scenarios I already mentioned, this insignificant apparently meaningless little event means the world to them. Its not really any less important just because its a small incident with risk to less people. The risk to any person this could have affected should not have been at the hands of these individuals. That is whats wrong with this. It was a crisis situation and they basically said FU to all and put themselves in a place where it could have impacted another. They had no right to do that. Just like the protesters have no right to interfere with thousands of peoples lives and also their safety its basically the same thing. Its just so small that it seems infsignificant but the underlying reasons are the same.

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Well sometimes you just have to go skiing.
Teenagers are going to test your clockwork theory of of society I think.
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