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what in the hell kinda pow ski do i buy

post #1 of 23
Thread Starter 

so i need pow skis. ive never really owned any and want to expand my quiver. i like tight turns through the trees, big air, powder, smashing through crud and getting to the bottom first.

 

basically all i know is that i think i want like 110-120 mm underfoot, some camber, and forward riding, i would like somewhat of a tipped tail, just not rockered. but i need them to be somewhat decent on the groomers, because you cant always completely avoid them.

 

I was looking at the rossi squad 7, but reading reviews made me think they were more of a backcountry ski. then i started looking at more reviews of skis and there are so many out there i just got overwhelmed

 

ive got bindings in mind, i just need skis, and i dont want them to cost over 400$. Im fine with getting used or previous years models at a cheaper price, i just dont want to spend over 400.

 

if anyone has any suggestions or even ridden skis that match what i want and has liked them please let me know.

 

 

 

 

i bought a pair of 2012 surface new life skis (120 mm underfoot), rode them for a few days and loved them, but the overly exaggerated 6 degree rockered tail caused me to wash out when landing jumps over 2 feet high. which completely ruined the ski for me.

 

this is the rocker on the tails that i DIDN'T like, rockered tips are fabulous but not tails.

 

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post #2 of 23

To confirm do you really want pow skis? If they are truly dedicated powder skis, I wouldn't worry too much about performance on groomers. I understand you'll probably be on a groomed trail near the chair lift, but you're a good skier you'll be fine. 

 

A ski that appears to match your ideal qualifications may be the Icelantic Vanguard with early rise tip, camber underfoot, and a flat tail. 107mm waist which is slightly skinnier than you requested, but would probably do the trick. 

 

Also check out the Atomic Bent Chetler, which has a tip rocker and slight tail rocker. 

post #3 of 23
Get some 110 skis, stiff, I would recommend volkl katanas, but they stopped making them.
Cochise would work too.

These skis are very versatile, rail groomers, ice, pow.
post #4 of 23

Check out the Nordica Vagabond from 2014. Around $349-$399 on ebay. 107 underfoot. I also have the Fatypus I-rock at 126 underfoot. I had a chance to get a good comparison of these skis in subsequent years in deep powder conditions and I must say I didn't notice any difference in floatation but the Vagabonds are fine on groomers and really good in soft bumps. They love to turn. They were a breeze in chopped up snow as well. Very very versatile ski. They may be better for a lighter skier. I am 175 lbs. I wouldn't consider them burly by any means. The profile seems to match what you want. Good luck on your search.

post #5 of 23

I would second the Vagabond recommendation.  VERY little tail rocker (and maybe none, just marketing speak). And if you really want to charge, or are a bigger guy, look at the El Capo, which is the Vagabond's twin, except with metal.

 

Great deals abound on these two skis.

post #6 of 23

I enjoyed skiing the Rossi Squad. Solid platform for the skiing you described. If you re really looking for a board that can do it all and then some, check out Igneous out of Jackson.

 

http://www.igneousskis.com/

post #7 of 23
https://www.levelninesports.com/ski/skis/gender/mens/waist-width-range/110-120mm
I like the look of the K2 shreditators.
I'm on my Elan Boomerangs at the moment. 4th trip to Japan.
post #8 of 23

the rockered tail makes turning in the powder so much easier, which is probably a huge reason you liked those surface boards to begin with-  go longer with some twin rockers and you will feel the difference. i ride rockers up to 9cm's over my head with no problems, i find the extra tail length compensates for issues with landing jumps - might be worth your time to demo a longer pair - just my 2cents, everyone is different

post #9 of 23
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Originally Posted by Mattrobinhood View Post
 

i like tight turns through the trees, big air, powder, smashing through crud and getting to the bottom first.

 

First part of sentence = pow ski.  Second part = 110ish stiff comp ski.  Which is more of a priority?

 

ON3P BG, Blizzard Spur/Bodacious, and maybe the GPO come to mind as chargable pow skis that that aren't totally useless in cut up and crud.  Can often find those in TGR classifieds for around your budget.

 

How heavy are you?  At my weight, most skis 110 under would not be considered pow skis (certainly not the Cochise).  Pow capable, maybe.


Edited by Hoss - 1/12/16 at 12:49pm
post #10 of 23
Thread Starter 

thanks, i honestly dont know if i want full fledged pow skis, my home base is beaver mountain in utah and we dont exactly get much pow, which is the worst ever. but on the few days we do get a few feet, pow skis are a must, beaver isnt very steep so with normal skis you can hardly get down the mountain.

post #11 of 23
Thread Starter 

thanks so much for the help guys!

post #12 of 23
Thread Starter 

that makes a lot more sense, solid logic. mine came up to like eye level, which is shorter than you would ever want, in my opinion at least

post #13 of 23
Thread Starter 

im 510 ish 145 ish, my surface skis were 174cm, im just starting to be able to afford to start a quiver, so i have no idea where to start, and pow is my favorite thing to ski so i figured id start there.

post #14 of 23

I agree with Hoss, Cochise ,while a great ski for the right applications,  doesn't fit your needs - not the best ski in tight trees, more of a charger ( one of my good buddies rides these skis)

 

Ski the Beav!  Hey at least you're less than 150 miles from Jackson or the Cottonwood canyons

post #15 of 23

I'll add the Nordica Helldorado (metaled up Patron), one of my favorite wide skis ever, with great hardpack versatility. Perfect blend of power and playfulness. 

 

Also, if you're open to going a little narrower, I own and love the Head Rev 105. Minimal rise in the tail, and a nice fat rockered tip. Versatile, damp and particularly good at crudbusting. Relatively tight radius, if you're into that.   

post #16 of 23

Check out http://www.skiessentials.com/  I bought my 2011 Volk Shiro's there in 2014. Great ski, I ski them all over the hill on those type days and enjoy them in the spring crud.

post #17 of 23

I'd suggest demoing in the conditions you envision.  There are just so many ways you could go, and you don't really give much info on the conditions you ski.  I also can't tell from your post if you are looking for a real dedicated powder ski, or something that will perform better in the deep powder, but still handle the groomers better than dedicated powder ski.  If you're worried that you won't be able to handle a true powder ski on groomers, you might be surprised.  I wouldn't call fat skis fun on groomers, but with average skill you should be able to get from A to B just fine.

post #18 of 23
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Originally Posted by Mattrobinhood View Post
 

 i like tight turns through the trees, big air, powder, smashing through crud and getting to the bottom first.

 

 

In order: Tights turns and trees argue for more sidecut. Big air for less, in case you land on one side and it catches. Getting to the bottom fast and smashing crud argues for a stiffer ski, less sidecut. Which is not easily compatible with tight turns and trees. Or powder, unless you mach it. Powder and trees like a softer flex. Speeding to the bottom likes a stiffer flex. And so on. You have an impossible set of wants. 

 

Make a priorities list and get back on this. Or just buy a Patron, which makes everyone relatively happy...

post #19 of 23
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Originally Posted by beyond View Post
 

Or just buy a Patron, which makes everyone relatively happy...

Or maybe one size shorter Helldorado?

 

A tough set of "wants" indeed!

post #20 of 23
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Or just buy a Patron, which makes everyone relatively happy...

Or a Bent Chetler.
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post #22 of 23

^ Tempting. I like that ski. 

post #23 of 23
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Originally Posted by LiveJazz View Post
 

^ Tempting. I like that ski. 


They were $225 on Friday when I ordered mine, still a good deal at $240 with free shipping.

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