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post #61 of 87
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Yeah I agree with that and I did think about that while posting as I knew it would likely come up.   I haven't skied Breck, Vail, Key or A-basin yet so my opinion doesn't hold much weight.   

for me though, I can go to any of these resorts and have the time of my life..  I'm not spoiled yet because I've only skied a few places better than Welch in my life.  My situation allows me to look at these resorts differently than others would.  

for instance:  Loveland kicked my ass 2 years ago.  The elevation combined with my habit of only skiing normally a few hours at a time had me tired as a dog by 2:00.  I only got one run in off the ridge, but it was the best run of my life lol...  If I paid way more for Breck, would it be worth the extra $$ for me?  Not likely at this point.  Maybe if I was on a longer trip, got more acclimated, could explore more, etc.

I'm interested to see how skiing Whitefish in March in a similar situation (full day of skiing, more than one day in a row) but at the way lower altitude will change my skiing day.  I'm about to be more spoiled biggrin.gif

Don't go to Vail then, it will ruin you, lol. I've been a lot of places and it is still my favorite mountain I've ever been. Places like Copper don't really compare, at least for what I like to ski.

The epic local pass is $579 and is unlimited at Breck/Keystone/A Basin....and includes 10 days at Vail/BC. If you are doing more than a handful of days it can't be beat, IMO. Does blackout some holidays, but I'd never want to be skiing holidays anyway.

I'm also a big fan of Keystone. Never had a altitude issue, except for Breck. It is quite a bit higher than the others and you notice it.
post #62 of 87
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I don't think Vail owns anything in the area.  They manage Jackson Lake Lodge for the NPS.


Owned assets at Jackson Lake Lodge, Jenny Lake Lodge, Colter Bay Village are all similar setups as to Vail Ski resort, Beaver Creek, Breck, and Park City..... lease rights with assets on land.  Vail does own the Jackson Hole Golf and Tennis Club as well.  This land they do own, along with Real Estate they bought to develop and sell.  You are correct they don't own the land inside Grand Teton National Park, but they don't at most of the ski areas either (other than at the base areas).  JMHR leases the land from the National Park Service as well for the ski area, so they don't own the land either.  This is how Vail Resorts acquired Park City Mountain Resort, the owners of Park City Mountain Resort didn't file the lease renewal paperwork properly, and Vail Resorts swooped in right away, then basically force the folks that owned everything to sell it to them.  http://www.denverpost.com/business/ci_25808742/utah-court-hands-park-city-mountain-resort-over


Edited by msprace - 1/24/16 at 7:30am
post #63 of 87
Jackson doesn't really fit VR's model.
Plus I'm fairly sure Jay Kemmerer is quite happy with Jackson's ski numbers. Improving summer visits was his priority last time we spoke.
post #64 of 87
Jackson leases land from the BT National Forest, not the NPS. The north boundary of the resort is the boundary with GTNP. JHMR can send snowshoe and XC ski trips into the park. They are not allowed to lead guided alpine skiing into the park.
post #65 of 87
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I don't think Vail owns anything in the area.  They manage Jackson Lake Lodge for the NPS.

VR had monetary interest in The Snake River Lodge a few years ago. Don't know if they still do.

post #66 of 87
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How are locals priced out? An Epic pass is arguably the best value in skiing. I recall season passes being double the cost 20 years ago.

Maybe you are talking food prices.

I have to say, that comes off as a bit elitist. What about the guy from Sterling or Fort Morgan or any other rural or outlying town in our great state that wants to bring his family skiing? $100 day tickets, $40 rentals and $10 burgers for 6 people is way out of reach for those folks. People that work much, much harder than you or I can ever imagine. They want to experience the same things we pass holders take for granted. With my pass, I ski more than 5 days and I'm skiing for free. I'm in for a $30 day. A little gas, a one hour drive, one meal and parking. He's in for a $1000 day without lessons. Fail buys your small local hill in a rural part of the country throws millions of dollars at making luxury "improvements" and builds condos at the base. The ticket price doubles or more almost immediately. Property tax rates skyrocket. Locals can't afford to live in the valley, much less ski at the hill they've been skiing for decades if not generations. See my point?

post #67 of 87
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I have to say, that comes off as a bit elitist. What about the guy from Sterling or Fort Morgan or any other rural or outlying town in our great state that wants to bring his family skiing? $100 day tickets, $40 rentals and $10 burgers for 6 people is way out of reach for those folks. People that work much, much harder than you or I can ever imagine. They want to experience the same things we pass holders take for granted. With my pass, I ski more than 5 days and I'm skiing for free. I'm in for a $30 day. A little gas, a one hour drive, one meal and parking. He's in for a $1000 day without lessons. Fail buys your small local hill in a rural part of the country throws millions of dollars at making luxury "improvements" and builds condos at the base. The ticket price doubles or more almost immediately. Property tax rates skyrocket. Locals can't afford to live in the valley, much less ski at the hill they've been skiing for decades if not generations. See my point?
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Originally Posted by offpiste View Post

I have to say, that comes off as a bit elitist. What about the guy from Sterling or Fort Morgan or any other rural or outlying town in our great state that wants to bring his family skiing? $100 day tickets, $40 rentals and $10 burgers for 6 people is way out of reach for those folks. People that work much, much harder than you or I can ever imagine. They want to experience the same things we pass holders take for granted. With my pass, I ski more than 5 days and I'm skiing for free. I'm in for a $30 day. A little gas, a one hour drive, one meal and parking. He's in for a $1000 day without lessons. Fail buys your small local hill in a rural part of the country throws millions of dollars at making luxury "improvements" and builds condos at the base. The ticket price doubles or more almost immediately. Property tax rates skyrocket. Locals can't afford to live in the valley, much less ski at the hill they've been skiing for de...
post #68 of 87
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Originally Posted by offpiste View Post
 

I have to say, that comes off as a bit elitist. What about the guy from Sterling or Fort Morgan or any other rural or outlying town in our great state that wants to bring his family skiing? $100 day tickets, $40 rentals and $10 burgers for 6 people is way out of reach for those folks. People that work much, much harder than you or I can ever imagine. They want to experience the same things we pass holders take for granted. With my pass, I ski more than 5 days and I'm skiing for free. I'm in for a $30 day. A little gas, a one hour drive, one meal and parking. He's in for a $1000 day without lessons. Fail buys your small local hill in a rural part of the country throws millions of dollars at making luxury "improvements" and builds condos at the base. The ticket price doubles or more almost immediately. Property tax rates skyrocket. Locals can't afford to live in the valley, much less ski at the hill they've been skiing for decades if not generations. See my point?

Well you're pretty naive if you think you can get a hamburger at Vail for only $10. :D

 

Seriously, though, thank you. You've argued the case perfectly. Vail's strategy is good for real estate investors I suppose, but it squeezes out a lot of people from being able to afford skiing.

post #69 of 87
If you only want one day of skiing for a family of 6 you'd be crazy to choose a fancy destination resort regardless of who owns it. It's a daft complaint about as futile as complaining a minimum wage employee can't afford a new loaded Suburban to shuttle their family of 6 around.
post #70 of 87

Honestly, I don't know how people can afford to ski on rental equipment and w/o a season pass.  For a family of four it costs $200 to ski Afton Alps on a weekend with their preferred program. Another $120 to rent skis, boots and poles.  Buy lunch and you just spent $365 to go skiing once.   This is why the second I realized we'd be skiing regularly I bought everyone equipment and a season pass.

post #71 of 87
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If you only want one day of skiing for a family of 6 you'd be crazy to choose a fancy destination resort regardless of who owns it. It's a daft complaint about as futile as complaining a minimum wage employee can't afford a new loaded Suburban to shuttle their family of 6 around.


I think you missed my point. What happens when there are ONLY Suburbans on the lot? There are fewer and fewer small areas as an option for regular folks. As a skier, I want everyone to experience the same passion and thrill of the sport that I do. Even if they can only afford a Kia. 

post #72 of 87
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Originally Posted by offpiste View Post


I think you missed my point. What happens when there are ONLY Suburbans on the lot? There are fewer and fewer small areas as an option for regular folks. As a skier, I want everyone to experience the same passion and thrill of the sport that I do. Even if they can only afford a Kia. 

Kia makes really nice cars. Lol.

Let's face facts, a lot of cheap ski hills are failing as the economics of it don't work, in a lot of the Midwest. The hill I learned on is long closed.
post #73 of 87
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Kia makes really nice cars. Lol.

Let's face facts, a lot of cheap ski hills are failing as the economics of it don't work, in a lot of the Midwest. The hill I learned on is long closed.

I actually think the grass roots race programs are what are saving these midwest hills.  Where I ski it is still family owned.  The weekend crowd does show up when the weather is nice but no matter what the temps are, there are racers on the hill Monday-Thursday in the evenings.  

post #74 of 87
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I actually think the grass roots race programs are what are saving these midwest hills.  Where I ski it is still family owned.  The weekend crowd does show up when the weather is nice but no matter what the temps are, there are racers on the hill Monday-Thursday in the evenings.  

 

Racers and Park Rats...   Most week nights that's the bulk of who's riding at almost all the local resorts.

post #75 of 87
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I actually think the grass roots race programs are what are saving these midwest hills.  Where I ski it is still family owned.  The weekend crowd does show up when the weather is nice but no matter what the temps are, there are racers on the hill Monday-Thursday in the evenings.  


You better talk to Peter, he thinks they lose too much money on Racers at Welch......  his attitude has changed some with trying to get his own kids into it, but the program at Welch is now laughable at best.  He had the opportunity to get two great level 300 coaches in at Welch, but he spewed his allegiance to one guy in Colorado to such a degree they both left and went to Afton, to race and teach clinics.  Now he is stuck with not even a Level 100 coach (she only passed the USSA fast start program) with 3 kids in the USSA program that have never finished in the top 25 at any USSA race.  I really feel for Leigh, I've known him for almost 40 years, and without him I wouldn't have had such a great skiing life.

 

The racers you see at Welch are not the ski area's grass roots programs, they are the Minnesota State High School League's race programs.   Welch gives Hastings and Rochester such good deals to train their, that is the business you are seeing.  Also Rochester is trying everything it can to go back to Mt. LaCrosse for training next year, but they are stuck because State Funds can no longer be used in that way in another state.  They are trying everything they can, all because of Peter, I really feel for Leigh.  In the 80's Welch had 50 to 75 racers in the USSA program every year training 4 nights a week, and every weekend that they weren't off racing.  Now the only Welch Racing is the D-Team, on the weekends, and the Beer League that is 40% smaller than it was just 3 years ago.  In the 80's and 90's they had Beer League 4 nights a week, plus Sunday.  Now they have Sunday Night with about 68 people and Wednesday is down to 40.  25 of which do both nights.  That program is on the verge of collapse.

 

As promotional piece Welch offers the MN High School Invitational, which has no cost (other than getting the kids to the race, and the coaches time) to the High Schools or the MN State High School League.  Heck Welch gives Hastings a private area for them to have lockers, changing area, (used to have a tuning room) for free.  They pay the electricity and heating costs even.

 

I don't think Welch is surviving or making much if any profit off the racers you see training nor racing on Monday-Thursday nights.

post #76 of 87
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You better talk to Peter, he thinks they lose too much money on Racers at Welch......  his attitude has changed some with trying to get his own kids into it, but the program at Welch is now laughable at best.  He had the opportunity to get two great level 300 coaches in at Welch, but he spewed his allegiance to one guy in Colorado to such a degree they both left and went to Afton, to race and teach clinics.  Now he is stuck with not even a Level 100 coach (she only passed the USSA fast start program) with 3 kids in the USSA program that have never finished in the top 25 at any USSA race.  I really feel for Leigh, I've known him for almost 40 years, and without him I wouldn't have had such a great skiing life.

 

The racers you see at Welch are not the ski area's grass roots programs, they are the Minnesota State High School League's race programs.   Welch gives Hastings and Rochester such good deals to train their, that is the business you are seeing.  Also Rochester is trying everything it can to go back to Mt. LaCrosse for training next year, but they are stuck because State Funds can no longer be used in that way in another state.  They are trying everything they can, all because of Peter, I really feel for Leigh.  In the 80's Welch had 50 to 75 racers in the USSA program every year training 4 nights a week, and every weekend that they weren't off racing.  Now the only Welch Racing is the D-Team, on the weekends, and the Beer League that is 40% smaller than it was just 3 years ago.  In the 80's and 90's they had Beer League 4 nights a week, plus Sunday.  Now they have Sunday Night with about 68 people and Wednesday is down to 40.  25 of which do both nights.  That program is on the verge of collapse.

 

As promotional piece Welch offers the MN High School Invitational, which has no cost (other than getting the kids to the race, and the coaches time) to the High Schools or the MN State High School League.  Heck Welch gives Hastings a private area for them to have lockers, changing area, (used to have a tuning room) for free.  They pay the electricity and heating costs even.

 

I don't think Welch is surviving or making much if any profit off the racers you see training nor racing on Monday-Thursday nights.

My comment was more from when ever I go there on a week night there are maybe four or five race groups on the hill.  They either take over Lookout, Bakky, Jon Jon or Dan's Dive.  I'm not sure how good or not their races are but I see them do well on Nastar.  With the amount of distain the guy in Colorado has for USSA, I'm sure its reflected at Welch.  They have a very good relationship with that guy and I get the feeling they aren't going to change any time soon since they keep sending employees to him to train.  

 

This also probably too much inside baseball for this thread since is not the Minnesota topic.

post #77 of 87

Hi guys,

I’m new to the forum but I thought I’d chime in on this subject.

I regularly ski at Mt. Brighton. When it was announced to the community that Vail had purchased the facility it was a pretty jaw dropping moment.

Obviously there was a lot of speculation of what might happen under the new ownership. I suspect like most small local hills, Mt. Brighton has a unique culture.  Even though Vail is a huge corporation they have managed to keep that small hill culture. In my opinion it was a breath of fresh air.

The changes that were made in the first year were pretty drastic.

 

·        They replaced two lifts, moved one lift and reconditioned two more lifts. Added 2 magic carpet surface lifts.

·        New snowmaking system is phenomenal. The former owners never seemed to be able to get the place 100 % open. Not a problem now! Snow quality is pretty darn good too.

·        The lodge was renovated, amenities include a new bar, commissary, picnic brown bag area, new restaurant, all new furniture.

·        New uniforms for the Ski School, Ski Patrol, Maintenance , and Management.

·        New signage on the hill.

·        RF ID badges to track vertical feet on their Epic Mix application

·        Vail has also done a great job with the ski school. The have a 3 week kids program there called mogul mouse. They regularly have what looks to be between 100-200 kids each weekend (my kids included)  partaking in the program. My wife even got a free ski lesson out of the deal!

·        Terrain parks are first class. I’m not a park guy but from what I hear they are legit!

·        Race programs from what I gather are better than ever!

·        They added Mt. Bike racing in the summer.

 

 Is Vail a big corporate minded company?....Yes. Have the prices gone up?.....Yes, but given the product I think it’s worth every penny. Let’s face it. Skiing is an expensive sport. It was expensive before Vail took over and it’s expensive now. Frankly, I would rather spend a few bucks more on a lift ticket if the experience is worth it. Vail has done a great job catering to families. They are a marketing giant and it shows.

In short….Mt. Wilmont customers should have no hesitations about the changes that are about to happen!

 

Just my .02 worth!

post #78 of 87
Might be the computer nerd in me but I love the RF IDs and wish is was affordable for every ski hill. Walking straight from the car to the lifts is nice plus all the stat tracking. Too bad Afton is such a bore to ski.
post #79 of 87
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Just my .02 worth!

Sorry LHH, now that Vail's in charge your .02 worth now costs $6.
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Sorry LHH, now that Vail's in charge your .02 worth now costs $6.


Ha! No, it's more like $25.00 if I get a hot dog and a soda for lunch, but I'm not complaining.  We take what we can get here in the mid-west.

post #81 of 87
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Ha! No, it's more like $25.00 if I get a hot dog and a soda for lunch, but I'm not complaining.  We take what we can get here in the mid-west.

 

Your user name vs. your attitude toward Vail ...

 

post #82 of 87
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My comment was more from when ever I go there on a week night there are maybe four or five race groups on the hill.  They either take over Lookout, Bakky, Jon Jon or Dan's Dive.  I'm not sure how good or not their races are but I see them do well on Nastar.  With the amount of distain the guy in Colorado has for USSA, I'm sure its reflected at Welch.  They have a very good relationship with that guy and I get the feeling they aren't going to change any time soon since they keep sending employees to him to train.  

 

This also probably too much inside baseball for this thread since is not the Minnesota topic.


Agreed too much about MN....

 

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Might be the computer nerd in me but I love the RF IDs and wish is was affordable for every ski hill. Walking straight from the car to the lifts is nice plus all the stat tracking. Too bad Afton is such a bore to ski.


The real cost is the labor, not that the technology is cheap.  They can buy the Scanners, Chargers, and overhead readers for less than $6000 for a busy quad, and under $4000 for a double chair, and that's if they need to have someone with the handheld scanners.  $2,000 for all of the other lifts.  (ok add some costs for the maintenance guys to mount those overhead scanners.)  Divide the cost on the equipment by 5 years for average life cycle, and you are at $1200 a year for the most expensive lift.  The RFID cards cost about $0.10 more per card than what most currently use for a season pass.  The software to manage and track it all internally is about $50,000 for a place the size of Welch, to get an app developed so you can track it on your phone, and website at home add another $50,000. When I worked in the sporting goods distribution we had pretty much the same equipment they use at the Vail Resorts for tracking inventory, receiving, and shipping.

 

Most smaller resorts could implement for under $200,000 yes it is a lot of money, but the labor cost for a 10 lift area open 12 hours a day is the real cost.  With labor costs (including payroll taxes, insurances, etc) would cost more like an additional $16,000 a week, every week when 100% open.  

post #83 of 87
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Agreed too much about MN....

 


The real cost is the labor, not that the technology is cheap.  They can buy the Scanners, Chargers, and overhead readers for less than $6000 for a busy quad, and under $4000 for a double chair, and that's if they need to have someone with the handheld scanners.  $2,000 for all of the other lifts.  (ok add some costs for the maintenance guys to mount those overhead scanners.)  Divide the cost on the equipment by 5 years for average life cycle, and you are at $1200 a year for the most expensive lift.  The RFID cards cost about $0.10 more per card than what most currently use for a season pass.  The software to manage and track it all internally is about $50,000 for a place the size of Welch, to get an app developed so you can track it on your phone, and website at home add another $50,000. When I worked in the sporting goods distribution we had pretty much the same equipment they use at the Vail Resorts for tracking inventory, receiving, and shipping.

 

Most smaller resorts could implement for under $200,000 yes it is a lot of money, but the labor cost for a 10 lift area open 12 hours a day is the real cost.  With labor costs (including payroll taxes, insurances, etc) would cost more like an additional $16,000 a week, every week when 100% open.  

 

I also love the RIFD.  The scuttlebutt around here was that the upgrade cost about a million dollars.  It wasn't implemented on all the lifts, just the lower 4 lifts.  That seems high to me and I could be wrong, but that's what the word was.  I suspect that the cost is offset a bit by all the data they collect at the point of sale and on the mountain.  The RIFD also really cuts down on lift fraud.

post #84 of 87
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Agreed too much about MN....

 


The real cost is the labor, not that the technology is cheap.  They can buy the Scanners, Chargers, and overhead readers for less than $6000 for a busy quad, and under $4000 for a double chair, and that's if they need to have someone with the handheld scanners.  $2,000 for all of the other lifts.  (ok add some costs for the maintenance guys to mount those overhead scanners.)  Divide the cost on the equipment by 5 years for average life cycle, and you are at $1200 a year for the most expensive lift.  The RFID cards cost about $0.10 more per card than what most currently use for a season pass.  The software to manage and track it all internally is about $50,000 for a place the size of Welch, to get an app developed so you can track it on your phone, and website at home add another $50,000. When I worked in the sporting goods distribution we had pretty much the same equipment they use at the Vail Resorts for tracking inventory, receiving, and shipping.

 

Most smaller resorts could implement for under $200,000 yes it is a lot of money, but the labor cost for a 10 lift area open 12 hours a day is the real cost.  With labor costs (including payroll taxes, insurances, etc) would cost more like an additional $16,000 a week, every week when 100% open.  

I kind of figured it was the cost of an additional person working at each lift to scan your card.  I wonder how much more it would cost to add RFID gates.  For hills like Welch which operate three lifts during the week, this would probably be more cost effective.

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Vail's business idea is not difficult to deduce.  They actually make skiing more accessible to the masses.  In an interview given during the Park City-Canyons thing, Vail CEO Katz remarked that lift upgrades and adding snow making capability are "cheap".  Its the first thing they do wherever they go.  They also upgrade the other facilities.  Some people like the "old school, small mountain" feel, but that isn't the great masses.  Its the people who grew up with old school, small mountain skiing.  Vail is interested in turning 7 million skier visits to their various mountains into 12 million skier visits.  And their EpicPass is key to that.

 

So people who ski a few weekends a year at a place like Brighton can now purchase a <$600 Epic Local pass and ski all they want at Brighton.  But then they start thinking, heh, I can get the western ski experience with no additional lift cost.  Save up a couple thousand, fly the family to Tahoe or Denver or SLC, stay somewhere (Vail will love it if you stay in one of their properties) and ski the big hills.  And spend your money in their restaurants, shops, and ski schools and so forth.  When all is said and done, though, their real target is not the people who already ski at Brighton.  Its all the other people who will be drawn in to try skiing or didn't go to Brighton 'cause it was too "old school".  Those people aren't old school, they want new school.

 

I don't see the issue.  You get an improved local ski area with generally improved services (perhaps at the cost of the Old School Charm) and affordable access to a very different ski experience in far away places.  I'm personally on board with them and if it stops working well for me and mine, I'll go another direction.  I wish they'd pick up someplace east like Elk and/or Montage.

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Your user name vs. your attitude toward Vail ...

 

Well dbostedo…Sorry to disappoint you  and with all due respect. I’m not the kind of hippy that sits around singing Kumbaya , making soap and smoking dope all day long. There will be plenty of time to do that when I retire!

 

I do in fact have long hair. I  live my life how I want to. I’m not some corporate yes man who walks around kissing  a** all day long. I’ve worked very hard in a very non-traditional business that most people would consider to be a dream job. I’m not rich and will never be. Frankly, I think money is the root of all evil. I  do my best to share what little success I have with my family and friends. I love to ski and I’m thankful to have the opportunity to share in that passion with my family. I wake up every morning and seize the day. I raise my kids with values, teach them to be independent and to have compassion towards others . I am not a fan of people who think they are entitled to everything under the sun just because they exist! 

 

I’m generally not a fan of big business. I despise politicians. I’m also not the kind of person who bashes corporations because they are successful. Most corporations are simply operating under the laws that our government  allows. If people want to  get angry with the “man” then they should focus their anger on the greasy politicians and law makers that have allowed money to influence their decisions.  This is obviously not the place for that discussion!

 

But I digress….  I was only commenting on my experience at one ski hill that is now part of the Vail family. The place was a dump before they took it over, the lifts broke down all the time, the lift chairs were broken, snow making was weak (the list goes on). They have done a fine job with the place. They also do deserve some credit by choosing to re-invest lots of  their dollars here in the good ol’ USA. It is true they’ve purchased a couple of resorts outside of the US, but by enlarge a lot of that money is going to stay right here at home. I’m sure that if someone were to quiz the local chamber of commerce in Brighton, Michigan they would say they are happy to have them on board! People have the right to choose where they ski or board. If they don’t like Vail for whatever reason, then there are lots of other areas to go to!

 

Gotta run now…I hear someone tuning up a ukulele  in the background and getting ready to  sing a round of Kumbaya :)

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Well dbostedo…Sorry to disappoint you  and with all due respect. I’m not the kind of hippy that sits around singing Kumbaya , making soap and smoking dope all day long. There will be plenty of time to do that when I retire!

 

I do in fact have long hair. I  live my life how I want to. I’m not some corporate yes man who walks around kissing  a** all day long. I’ve worked very hard in a very non-traditional business that most people would consider to be a dream job. I’m not rich and will never be. Frankly, I think money is the root of all evil. I  do my best to share what little success I have with my family and friends. I love to ski and I’m thankful to have the opportunity to share in that passion with my family. I wake up every morning and seize the day. I raise my kids with values, teach them to be independent and to have compassion towards others . I am not a fan of people who think they are entitled to everything under the sun just because they exist! 

 

I’m generally not a fan of big business. I despise politicians. I’m also not the kind of person who bashes corporations because they are successful. Most corporations are simply operating under the laws that our government  allows. If people want to  get angry with the “man” then they should focus their anger on the greasy politicians and law makers that have allowed money to influence their decisions.  This is obviously not the place for that discussion!

 

But I digress….  I was only commenting on my experience at one ski hill that is now part of the Vail family. The place was a dump before they took it over, the lifts broke down all the time, the lift chairs were broken, snow making was weak (the list goes on). They have done a fine job with the place. They also do deserve some credit by choosing to re-invest lots of  their dollars here in the good ol’ USA. It is true they’ve purchased a couple of resorts outside of the US, but by enlarge a lot of that money is going to stay right here at home. I’m sure that if someone were to quiz the local chamber of commerce in Brighton, Michigan they would say they are happy to have them on board! People have the right to choose where they ski or board. If they don’t like Vail for whatever reason, then there are lots of other areas to go to!

 

Gotta run now…I hear someone tuning up a ukulele  in the background and getting ready to  sing a round of Kumbaya :)

 

No disappointment... I just thought it was amusing. :) 

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