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177 Head Titan 6'6" 230 feels tad soft for my size.

post #1 of 24
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I picked up some new Head Titans this years 2016 model in 177cm.  I like the ski but feel I may be a touch heavy for it with my size.  I should get my weight with boots and gear on just to see where I come in on the scales probably easily over 240ish I guessing. 

 

Age 40 and started skiing around 13. Style advanced more on power aggressive attack style high edge angles.  Skiing fairly torn up and injured all over but can still crank some decent turns at times when joints allow. 

 

Conditions: mixed soft machine made snow to scraped off ice patches to dropping temps hard pack later in night. 

 

Head Titan does everything well short, medium to large turns easily.  Makes a good east coast ski with some versatility.  Titan feels tad soft for my taste for a carver.  Hand flexes medium and on lighter side with some play while skiing.  Titan grip seemed good but not as strong as Nordica 80 Pros that I own.  Titan was quick to engage with large tip that floated up enough to keep up on top of soft piles during day.  Felt pretty forgiving and easy to ski more finesse than power side.  I am guessing with someone lighter it would feel more power.  I did back to back comparisons with my Nordica fire Arrow 80 pro's and felt the Nordica handle my size a little better.  On the Nordica Fire Arrow I sometimes feel like I over power them in steeps.  I think if the Head Titan came in 180 plus length it could handle my size a little better.  Titan does appear to have decent all mountain capabilities for carver ski. Titan felt pretty forgiving and probably an intermediate could ski this ski.  I am not convinced about the chip thing and I am guessing it is more gimmick.  I may give the Titan a few more tries and possibly put it up for sell or trade it down the road for something with a little more oomph, longer or muscle.  Looks like Nordica came out with new Fire Arrow 80 ti with 2 sheets of metal and Blizzard has G power FS.  My injuries did not get along with Nordica 84edt square tip.  

 

I did jump on the 184cm Salomon X -Drive 8.8 and 188cm Atomic 100 cti for short period of time that day and they both handle my size pretty good but need a little more time on both of them to comment.  Hopefully east coast gets some decent cold temps to make snow for more places to open up more terrain.           

post #2 of 24
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I took a few more runs on Titans and just think its not enough ski for my size.  On some icy packed conditions I lost confidence in this ski and switched out to the Salomon x-drive 8.8 and Nordica 80 Pro that had no problem at all on same runs.  I was hoping to find a short turner replacement of old Atomic B5i and Titan fails miserably in all areas compared to that ski even in softer snow areas.  The old Atomic B5i 172cm handled my size easily and could slingshot me into orbit if I wanted.  Atomic B5i was my kind of ski I liked in a short turner.  I should put my friend on Titan for few runs see what he thinks since he weights around 145 lbs and I have a feeling he will probably love the Titan ski.  It would be nice to find a short turner versatile ski like the shape of Titan and inject some horsepower into that ski.       

post #3 of 24

You could look at a few stronger frontside style skis.  2 I think may work are the Blizzard Power series, and the Laser SC from Stockli.  The Laser is more of a pure carver, but a pretty stout ski. The Blizzard Power skis always felt like they had to be driven by someone 200lbs+

post #4 of 24
At your size, I'm surprised you got a 177. I'd think a longer ski would do better for you.
post #5 of 24
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Originally Posted by voghan View Post

At your size, I'm surprised you got a 177. I'd think a longer ski would do better for you.


This! I'm 6' 4" and 225...I'm surprised that, other than an FIS slalom ski, you looked at anything under a 185...especially if you've been skiing for > 20yrs!
post #6 of 24
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You could look at a few stronger frontside style skis.  2 I think may work are the Blizzard Power series, and the Laser SC from Stockli.  The Laser is more of a pure carver, but a pretty stout ski. The Blizzard Power skis always felt like they had to be driven by someone 200lbs+

OP, yes, you're too big for the 177 Titan. it does have a weight and size limit. For really big folks, the Fire Arrow 84 EDT is heads and tails better than the Blizzard Power Series IMHO, but if the tip doesnt work, it doesn't work. Interestingly enough, the Power doesn't really do it for me... Sort of a 'I wish I were a really nice cheater GS ski but I'm not and I'm not a real carver either'' sort of feeling. They kind of leave me scratching my head. If you were looking at an 88, then try the Head Monster Ina 184. When you demo, play with the mount point a bit. Start at recommended. If you're not really feeling the love, move the binding forward a bit.
post #7 of 24
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Originally Posted by markojp View Post


OP, yes, you're too big for the 177 Titan. it does have a weight and size limit. For really big folks, the Fire Arrow 84 EDT is heads and tails better than the Blizzard Power Series IMHO, but if the tip doesnt work, it doesn't work. Interestingly enough, the Power doesn't really do it for me... Sort of a 'I wish I were a really nice cheater GS ski but I'm not and I'm not a real carver either'' sort of feeling. They kind of leave me scratching my head. If you were looking at an 88, then try the Head Monster Ina 184. When you demo, play with the mount point a bit. Start at recommended. If you're not really feeling the love, move the binding forward a bit.

 

I have never been able to ski that bad boy well; just figured it was my weight!

post #8 of 24

Have you ever had the Titan's tuned? I bought a pair of the 177's two seasons ago. Don't really trust the tune out of the wrapper. Typically I will ski them, if they feel okay, I'll let them go, but if not, I'll get a full tune on them. I know when I had the Titans tuned with a full stone grind, it definitely gave them a more aggressive attitude, and better grip. I'm 6' 210 lbs, and I feel they are about right for my size. I have heard more than one lighter skier say that they are too stiff. Don't give up on them till they have had a decent tune. It does make a difference.

post #9 of 24

Never liked this serie of Head...Now I know why...

 

Nice carving skis for bigger guys:

  • Rossi Master 21 (WOW!)
  • Fischer RC4 RC in 180
  • Blizzard R-Power in 181
post #10 of 24
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Originally Posted by Mac View Post

Have you ever had the Titan's tuned? I bought a pair of the 177's two seasons ago. Don't really trust the tune out of the wrapper. Typically I will ski them, if they feel okay, I'll let them go, but if not, I'll get a full tune on them. I know when I had the Titans tuned with a full stone grind, it definitely gave them a more aggressive attitude, and better grip. I'm 6' 210 lbs, and I feel they are about right for my size. I have heard more than one lighter skier say that they are too stiff. Don't give up on them till they have had a decent tune. It does make a difference.

There is some truth to this. My first pair two season ago needed a tune out of the wrapper. This year's is much better. 6' #210, a 177 should work nicely. The OP is not only heavier, but taller as well.
post #11 of 24
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Originally Posted by mogsie View Post
 

Never liked this serie of Head...Now I know why...

 

Nice carving skis for bigger guys:

  • Rossi Master 21 (WOW!)
  • Fischer RC4 RC in 180
  • Blizzard R-Power in 181

How big is big?

post #12 of 24

I know someone who has a pair of vintage Hart Javelins in 235.

He is a big guy.

post #13 of 24
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Originally Posted by levy1 View Post
 

How big is big?

We could do a whole thread about that... over 200? and over 237.5 is "very big"?

post #14 of 24
Okay I appreciate that. you are one of the guys that I follow in reviews and I'm always anxious to see what you have to say about a ski. I'm pretty sure you're 230 lbs and I'm going to be down to 185 coming up soon so the post was interesting.
post #15 of 24

I have skied the head titan or the narrower version of the ski, forget the name, in 177. I found it to be not enough ski for me. The edges were sharpened before I took it out and it couldn't handle my weight (245) on icy terrain.The edges just didn't have enough grip.  Some skis are just not stiff enough, especially torsionally for a clyde. I ski a Rossi SL9 slant nose slalom race ski in 175 cm and it is built to handle someone my size. Its edge grip is very good in comparison.

post #16 of 24
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I did ski the Head Titan out of the wrapper. I am not sure what head factory tunes are set to 2 or 1 for side.  I could see going to 3 side and 1 base but not sure it would make much of difference but could be wrong.  I wouldn't mind trying to drop a little weight get down to below 215 to lighten up for bad joints and ski would probably be decent.  If I am working with people its nice to have some shorter tight turning radius skis for low speeds it easier on my bad side.  Its still a decent ski for small hill but even a small mountain I would grab one of my other skis first if icy over Titan. If I was out west again in some real open uncrowded terrain trust me my ski selection would be a little different and on longer side.  I was just in WV last weekend and its like they had church special to bring in more than few thousand extra people to ski and I have to deal with tons of people that can't ski out of control all over the place from Georgia.  I was on 184cm x-drive 8.8 was starting to become a bear trying to creep slowly around everyone out of control I did jump on the Atomic 100cti and it was pleasant.  Up in Holiday Valley in NY its like buses drop them off in hundreds sometimes. I must be picking bad days to ski out of state when they have large package deals. Most generally I am skiing 180-188 length skis and I have plenty of other skis to hop onto so not end of world.  The 84 EDT and I did not mesh well with the square tip.  I primarily ski on right leg but I am using both legs and I have learned to adapt pretty well and still capable of skiing aggressively at times with both skis.  It is tough finding skis to be stiff enough but have enough tip and tail flex for me to work with injury due to my size and height.  Before injury I would pick me the nastiest and longest ski made so I had full confidence to go out and crank it up some.  I am still trying to find skis capable of being mellow that work when I am having a bad joints day and when joints warm up and feel like participating I can still ski like my old self and charge not easy at my size.  It does seem big tips help with initiation for my injury with just a little bit of tip and tail flex and being middle weight ski would be nice.  Heavy skis bothers me riding up lifts on bad side and skis too light on hard pack, ice or crud have issues on way down.   It sucks being big injured guy and trying find skis to work with my size, skill level and injury.  I have a feeling motive 95ti and elan 88xti would be middle weight skis but I could be wrong.                         

post #17 of 24

I picked up a Kastle MX78 ski at the end of last year. It is their longest length, 184 cm. I have had a couple great days on it and one so so day, which may have just been me. Anyway, I find the ski to be much softer than my race skis, and it can be carved at slow speeds very well. It is still burly enough overall to crank on and let it rip when you want to. The MX line seems to be race ski solid but with a softer tip that allows the ski to work at much lower speeds. You might find you like them.

post #18 of 24
Thread Starter 

It does look like Head skis are 1 side and 1 base.  I probably should try 3 side see if I get some more bite on ice. 

post #19 of 24
1 and 3 makes a significant difference on nearly any ski. My old pair is tuned to 1/3.. The new pair will be soon.
post #20 of 24
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I got rid of most of my ski tuning tools when had accident because I didn't think I would ski again.  I  dropped Titans off at shop tonight after skiing them to toss a 3 on side edge and will give report back.  I do think Titan will make a good teaching low speed tight turn radius ski but could be I am just tad big for ski but hopefully 3 on side I may notice bit more difference.  I had one good day on Titans with some soft pack trying with some aggressive carving to practically drag my elbow on ground kind of fun.  Tonight got some rain earlier and temps dropped Titan was not too confidence inspiring but hopefully get tuned up for tomorrow. I was riding up with some others on lift and they were around 150-165 lbs and seemed to really like the Titan so could still be a weight issue for myself.    

post #21 of 24

I am a fellow big skier, 6'4" and 270. I will share some experiences with finding the right "big guy ski". I have a lot of time in on the Head SS series of skis and have skied with a fellow big skier [about 6'1" and 300] who skis the Titan. Both of us are aggressive  carving types. When you see my 300lb friend on the hill, he is the type of skier who people watch from the lift. He makes very powerful and complete turns, he sticks out like a sore thumb. He spends most of his time on a WC SL ski. For him the Titan is his all mountain ski. As hard as he skis, I have not heard him complain about the softness of the Titan. I ski several carving skis including the Head iSL RD, Head SS Magnum, Head Limited, Head Prestige, Stockli Laser SC and Stockli Laser GS. I have heard people say that the Head Magnum, Head Rally and Head Titan are lacking in edge grip. My opinion is that the Heads have plenty of grip, but they take different moves to make this so. When I change from a one of the Stocklis to a Head [except the iSL RD] the first few turns feel like surfing. I cant  tell you exactly how I adjust, but it works. After part of a run, can fully enjoy the massive carving power that the Heads will deliver. Regarding the Head Limited and Head Prestige, these are the same side cut as the Magnum and Rally. Neither of these are marketed in the U.S., but can be had here. Both are an ideal choice for the big guy, as they are stiffer and damper that the Super Shape line. Both skis use the "Head Chip" in a different way than the SS line. Both are truly high end, remarkable skis that you can really throw your weight into and make serious trenches with.

post #22 of 24
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The 3 on side edge did seem to drastically help ski but temp came up from night before and ice a little less but I really did notice a difference immediately.  Being on the east coast I am sure I will have some more real icy days coming up again to give them proper testing.  I quickly noticed improvement and had more confidence in Titan I have to admit!!!

post #23 of 24

The 177 Titan is so much less ski than the 180 Fire Arrow 80 Pro.

 

Funny thing is that since I first fell in love with the FA 80 Pro years ago, I've slowed down a bit (thanks, knees), and now find it just a teeny bit stiff.

 

I may jump onto a pair of Titans again in a few weeks when I take the missus to Sun Valley.

post #24 of 24
The ski is a bit too small for you, 177 is my size and you got a good 5" and 30 lbs on me.
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