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ARTECH Precision Base Edge Beveler

post #1 of 29
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Also was wondering if anyone has any experience with this tool:

 

http://www.artechski.com/artech-precision-base-edge-beveler/

post #2 of 29

I like Artech products, but this is a relatively expensive file guide, all depending on how much you'll use it.  A $20 Beast or $8 FK SKS file guide will work as well if light duty.

post #3 of 29

I have theirs in a .75*.  Works well.  No complaints.

post #4 of 29

That's a fancy guide there.  I have been using BEAST base guides for years and they are great.  No plastic part that wears away and then needs to be replaced.

That said they are all very simple tools and most all of them are good if they are fixed guides. 

post #5 of 29
Looks similar to what Toko and even Swix used to sell.
Willie uses it at some point:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fxOTdT55HNY
post #6 of 29

I still have my TOKO base edge bevelers that are a longer version of the Artech . 

 

I still use them on skis with concavity in the center of the base.  Since the older TOKO longer version spans the concavity and sits level on the opposite side of it it prevents you from under beveling the edge in crucial spot. The concavity is usually present in the tip and tail area. Under-beveled tips and tails are NOT a good outcome. 

 

 

There are guys who like The Beast stuff...I quite using it years ago. 

 

As I have commented,  IMHO SVST is superior product, but you pay through the nose for it!

 

 

I really dislike The Beast side edge bevel tool.  It is fussy, glide is too narrow , I just think the geometry is wrong and you are limited in stone thickness, it has to fit through a slot in the tool.  You just spring clamp your file to the SVST.  Absolutely no need for a hold down plate with a thumb screw like the Beast, whichh just slows down changing stones.   SVST Side edge beveler has a wider glide section which makes it almost impossible to roll off the edge. 

 

I even had a couple of Beast  base edge bevelers before he connected the plastic sides. It was just 3 sided to start. there was no finger rest on the open side. Practically speaking I prefer where your thumb is directly on the file over the metal edge like the SVST

 

Blue =SVST  Orange = Beast   But only you can decide if it is worth the extra money!

 

 

 

 


Edited by Atomicman - 1/4/16 at 10:52am
post #7 of 29
I may still have those old Beast guides with no connection at the open end. Truly awful.
Do you like the Toko guides?
post #8 of 29
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I may still have those old Beast guides with no connection at the open end. Truly awful.
Do you like the Toko guides?

Yes they are good. Some stones don't fit in them (wider stones),  and you have to replace the little yellow plastic guides periodically.

post #9 of 29
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Originally Posted by Jacques View Post
 

That's a fancy guide there.  I have been using BEAST base guides for years and they are great.  No plastic part that wears away and then needs to be replaced.

That said they are all very simple tools and most all of them are good if they are fixed guides. 

That is not true. the tool itself is some kind of plastic stuff and the plastic comes in direct contact with the sharp edge and is not replaceable. 

 

TOKO amd SVST have replaceable guides. SVST is made of DELRIN. 

 

Polyoxymethylene (POM), also known as acetal,[1]polyacetal and polyformaldehyde, is an engineeringthermoplastic used in precision parts requiring high stiffness, low friction and excellent dimensional stability. As with many other synthetic polymers, it is produced by different chemical firms with slightly different formulas and sold variously by such names as DelrinCelconRamtal,DuraconKepital and Hostaform.

Typical applications for injection-molded POM include high performance engineering components such as small gear wheels, ball bearings, ski bindings, fasteners, knife handles, and lock systems. The material is widely used in the automotive and consumer electronics industry.

post #10 of 29
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Originally Posted by Atomicman View Post
 

I still have my TOKO base edge bevelers that are a longer version of the Artech . 

 

I still use them on skis with concavity in the center of the base.  Since the older TOKO longer version spans the concavity and sits level on the opposite side of it it prevents you from under beveling the edge in crucial spot. The concavity is usually present in the tip and tail area. Under-beveled tips and tails are NOT a good outcome. 

 

 

There are guys who like The Beast stuff...I quite using it years ago. 

 

As I have commented,  IMHO SVST is superior product, but you pay through the nose for it!

 

 

I really dislike The Beast side edge bevel tool.  It is fussy, glide is too narrow , I just think the geometry is wrong and you are limited in stone thickness, it has to fit through a slot in the tool.  You just spring clamp your file to the SVST.  Absolutely no need for a hold down plate with a thumb screw like the Beast, whichh just slows down changing stones.   SVST Side edge beveler has a wider glide section which makes it almost impossible to roll off the edge. 

 

I even had a couple of Beast  base edge bevelers before he connected the plastic sides. It was just 3 sided to start. there was no finger rest on the open side. Practically speaking I prefer where your thumb is directly on the file over the metal edge like the SVST

 

Blue =SVST  Orange = Beast   But only you can decide if it is worth the extra money!

 

 

 

 


Only problem with the BEAST photo is the thumb is in the wrong place!  It needs to be directly over the edge. 

Not sure why you chose to diss BEAST tools.  Most all the fixed guide tools are good.  Yes I love BEAST and they work fine for me. 

As far as the Side Of The Beast Pro, I have no problem with it.  Maybe your screw was too short.  I can fit 1/4 inch thick stones in mine no problem.

Last time I was in their store, I spoke to then about what I have done to improve mine.  Maybe in the future they might change, but for the cost of a washer you too can make it better.

post #11 of 29
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Originally Posted by Jacques View Post
 

That's a fancy guide there.  I have been using BEAST base guides for years and they are great.  No plastic part that wears away and then needs to be replaced.

That said they are all very simple tools and most all of them are good if they are fixed guides. 

That is not true. the tool itself is some kind of plastic stuff and the plastic comes in direct contact with the sharp edge and is not replaceable. 

 

TOKO amd SVST have replaceable guides. SVST is made of DELRIN. 

 

Polyoxymethylene (POM), also known as acetal,[1]polyacetal and polyformaldehyde, is an engineeringthermoplastic used in precision parts requiring high stiffness, low friction and excellent dimensional stability. As with many other synthetic polymers, it is produced by different chemical firms with slightly different formulas and sold variously by such names as DelrinCelconRamtal,DuraconKepital and Hostaform.

Typical applications for injection-molded POM include high performance engineering components such as small gear wheels, ball bearings, ski bindings, fasteners, knife handles, and lock systems. The material is widely used in the automotive and consumer electronics industry.


None of that matters at all other than a smooth running surface along the side edge.  All that matters is the elevation of the file or stone from the base edge at a given distance.  The stainless steel glide plate will last forever.  Hell in the old days, before all these guides, we just wrapped some tape around a file for elevation and some more tape for a distance guide.  Bla bla bla. 

Dude, we need to ski together someday.  I have some kids that are going to film me this season.  I am hitting jumps again after 8 years of no hitting.  My knee is getting better!
jacques 002.BMP

 

jacques 001.BMP

post #12 of 29
Dude, that's nasty!^^
I like the Side of Beast pro. Used it for years. I agree it takes too long to change from stone to file but that's the price for holding the item securely. Haven't thought about the glide surface. Hasn't been a prob.
post #13 of 29
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Dude, that's nasty!^^
I like the Side of Beast pro. Used it for years. I agree it takes too long to change from stone to file but that's the price for holding the item securely. Haven't thought about the glide surface. Hasn't been a prob.

The glide surface I was talking about is in reference to the Base Edge Bevelers not the Side of Beast. 

 

And my stones and files are held perfectly fine with a big spring clamp and my hand!

 

 

And Jacques sorry but the base tool is designed to be used EXACTLY as the photo is shown. IN fact that photo is from The Race Place Website. 

 

If you put your thumb directly over the edgethat big tab stickis out to far and makes using the tool a bit awkward. 

 

And where did I diss (you do know that is street for "Disrespect"?   You old buzzard!)  the Beast stuff, I just said I no longer use it and gave the reason for that. 

 

Don't take it so personal. 

 

Like I have  said before I like the Holmer Family and my boys raced against their kids and have spent some time kicking it with Scott back in the day! 

 

Pardon the F out of me for liking different tools than you!

 

 

And jeez that looks bad!!!

 

 

And yes I'd love to come to Bachelor!

post #14 of 29
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Originally Posted by Tog View Post

Dude, that's nasty!^^
I like the Side of Beast pro. Used it for years. I agree it takes too long to change from stone to file but that's the price for holding the item securely. Haven't thought about the glide surface. Hasn't been a prob.


Truth!  Side of BEAST Pro is awesome and if one fixes it up like I have done your in business.

post #15 of 29
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Originally Posted by Tog View Post

Dude, that's nasty!^^
I like the Side of Beast pro. Used it for years. I agree it takes too long to change from stone to file but that's the price for holding the item securely. Haven't thought about the glide surface. Hasn't been a prob.

The glide surface I was talking about is in reference to the Base Edge Bevelers not the Side of Beast. 

 

And my stones and files are held perfectly fine with a big spring clamp and my hand!

 

 

And Jacques sorry but the base tool is designed to be used EXACTLY as the photo is shown. IN fact that photo is from The Race Place Website. 

 

If you put your thumb directly over the edgethat big tab stickis out to far and makes using the tool a bit awkward. 

 

And where did I diss (you do know that is street for "Disrespect"?   You old buzzard!)  the Beast stuff, I just said I no longer use it and gave the reason for that. 

 

Don't take it so personal. 

 

Like I have  said before I like the Holmer Family and my boys raced against their kids and have spent some time kicking it with Scott back in the day! 

 

Pardon the F out of me for liking different tools than you!

 

 

And jeez that looks bad!!!

 

 

And yes I'd love to come to Bachelor!


That's cool.  We all like different tools.  I can't help their photo.  I don't use it that way and you know why!  It's all good.  The only tools I will diss is adjustable tools and I know you would too.  I will tout tools but I will refrain from dissing any fixed guides for the most part as most are just fine.  We get used to a way and that's what works best for us.  That's fine.

I can't travel at this point, but if you ever make it to Bachelor I'd love to meet you.  The banter and opinions here are all good as there is always many ways to work the skis.  I have valued your post and comments for sometime for sure no matter how we differ or bicker!   As a matter of fact I think some like the differing opinions.  Be good up there. 

post #16 of 29
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That's cool.  We all like different tools.  I can't help their photo.  I don't use it that way and you know why!  It's all good.  The only tools I will diss is adjustable tools and I know you would too.  I will tout tools but I will refrain from dissing any fixed guides for the most part as most are just fine.  We get used to a way and that's what works best for us.  That's fine.

I can't travel at this point, but if you ever make it to Bachelor I'd love to meet you.  The banter and opinions here are all good as there is always many ways to work the skis.  I have valued your post and comments for sometime for sure no matter how we differ or bicker!   As a matter of fact I think some like the differing opinions.  Be good up there. 

:beercheer:Thumbs Up:D

post #17 of 29
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That's cool.  We all like different tools.  I can't help their photo.  I don't use it that way and you know why!  It's all good.  The only tools I will diss is adjustable tools and I know you would too.  I will tout tools but I will refrain from dissing any fixed guides for the most part as most are just fine.  We get used to a way and that's what works best for us.  That's fine.

I can't travel at this point, but if you ever make it to Bachelor I'd love to meet you.  The banter and opinions here are all good as there is always many ways to work the skis.  I have valued your post and comments for sometime for sure no matter how we differ or bicker!   As a matter of fact I think some like the differing opinions.  Be good up there. 

:beercheer:Thumbs Up:D


You the man Atomic!  Here is to you as well.  :beercheer:  Albeit it's a Coors from me!

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I'l  take a Hornitos shot...Garcias!

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I'l  take a Hornitos shot...Garcias!


Not me!  I can't handle the hard stuff!  Well..........maybe a shot on a special occasion!
 

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Not me!  I can't handle the hard stuff!  Well..........maybe a shot on a special occasion!
 

Vitamin T and I get along handsomely in small doses!

post #21 of 29

I used one of those Artech base bevelers, then switched  to all SVSTs, which work similarly to the Artech but are an improvement, for the most part.

 

By the way, the SVST bevelers are designed to use with one of these (just one needed for multiple dedicated angle bevelers):

 

http://www.artechski.com/svst-base-beveler-accessory-tool-holding-block/

 

SVST Base Beveler Accessory: Tool Holding Block

 

(Just click link to see a good description.  The wood block lifts out of the tool (green) easily, no attachments.)

 

The problem with the Artech base beveler, for me, was what Jacques mentioned: those dang little plastic thingies wear out fast, very fast.   You have to get a small baggie of replacement thingies, keep them handy, and replace them often.  And while they are wearing, don't they throw the angle off a bit? Not sure, but probably.   

 

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Originally Posted by Wagz View Post
 

Also was wondering if anyone has any experience with this tool:

 

http://www.artechski.com/artech-precision-base-edge-beveler/

 

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jacques View Post
 

That's a fancy guide there.  I have been using BEAST base guides for years and they are great.  No plastic part that wears away and then needs to be replaced.

That said they are all very simple tools and most all of them are good if they are fixed guides. 

 

The handiness of that SVST block accessory is part of why I prefer those bevelers.  

post #22 of 29
The plastic guides wearing out don't effect the base bevel. Unless it effects you holding it securely and the file getting wonky and jumping up and down. The guides would only effect cutting angle of file teeth not the beveling angle.
post #23 of 29
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The plastic guides wearing out don't effect the base bevel. Unless it effects you holding it securely and the file getting wonky and jumping up and down. The guides would only effect cutting angle of file teeth not the beveling angle.

You and I must be talkin about different parts of the tool. 

 

Tthe part of the tool that is in direct contact with the sharp edge is Polycarbonate and not replaceable. 

 

 

post #24 of 29
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Originally Posted by Tog View Post

The plastic guides wearing out don't effect the base bevel. Unless it effects you holding it securely and the file getting wonky and jumping up and down. The guides would only effect cutting angle of file teeth not the beveling angle.
You and I must be talkin about different parts of the tool

Tthe part of the tool that is in direct contact with the sharp edge is Polycarbonate and not replaceable. 



Well not only that but a different tool. I was talking about the Artech guide.
post #25 of 29
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Originally Posted by Tog View Post

The plastic guides wearing out don't effect the base bevel. Unless it effects you holding it securely and the file getting wonky and jumping up and down. The guides would only effect cutting angle of file teeth not the beveling angle.

You and I must be talkin about different parts of the tool. 

 

Tthe part of the tool that is in direct contact with the sharp edge is Polycarbonate and not replaceable. 

 

 


Well that may wear a tiny bit over a zillion tunes, but it doesn't matter anyway.  It stays smooth for the glide.  All that matters then, is the elevation bar and the file or stone.  You know when you are finished if you just start to hit plastic or just prior.

Any base beveler needs only an elevation vs. distance from the edge.  The part that wears out on some base beveler is just annoying.

post #26 of 29
Well I've changed my answer on the Artech guide gliding plastic. Yes, it's the distance of the elevation bar to the edge that sets the angle. So when the guides are worn out the distance is greater and your bevel is less.
Side edges should be smooth before base beveling so guides won't wear excessively.
post #27 of 29
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Well not only that but a different tool. I was talking about the Artech guide.

I know, but at least they are replaceable on the Artech, Toko and the SVST are made of Delrin...really tough and very smooth stuff!

post #28 of 29
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Originally Posted by Tog View Post

Well I've changed my answer on the Artech guide gliding plastic. Yes, it's the distance of the elevation bar to the edge that sets the angle. So when the guides are worn out the distance is greater and your bevel is less.
Side edges should be smooth before base beveling so guides won't wear excessively.  I always base bevel before side edge
post #29 of 29
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Originally Posted by Tog View Post

Well I've changed my answer on the Artech guide gliding plastic. Yes, it's the distance of the elevation bar to the edge that sets the angle. So when the guides are worn out the distance is greater and your bevel is less.
Side edges should be smooth before base beveling so guides won't wear excessively.


Depends if your side edge guide would run on the base edge or not.  The Side Of BEAST Pro has no contact with the base edge, so with that one your good.  A few others are like that too, but many side edge guides will contact a base edge if it is not already beveled.

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