Originally Posted by rollin
Staying together as a group throughout all your business on the entire mountain is an over exaggeration of my point. No one is of course suggesting this and its kind of irrelevant to be honest. One of the main points for my argument is when you say "lower average wait times". You see, that's what I don't agree with. If you read all my posts in this and the other thread I don't believe (for reasons I've given) that singles lines creates any lower average wait times for the better of everyone. In fact I have argued (for reasons mentioned and flaws with the system) that its more often only lower waits for those using the singles line while actually often resulting in longer waits for the rest of the population in the lines. The fact that it can imo be done efficiently without a singles line is why I feel faster moving singles lines are only beneficial to those taking it and not beneficial to all. In fact it leaves many in the regular lines with longer wait times while the singles line moves faster. . If we didn't have one all people would be heading up in basically the same order they entered the line while the liftees maintain mix and matches accordingly (which imo when crowded would be easily done most all the time). But instead the singles line is used in misguided thought as though some sort of savior for lift efficiency. The only ones truly gaining efficiency are those using it and the groups who split to use it.
OK, lets just say you're right about the singles line not lowering average wait times. I don't think that you are, but lets just say that you are. I'd say that I'm just arguing in favor of splitting up your group (if you want to) in order to use whatever system is in place to put singles into empty seats, be it your pulsating mass of patrons cluster frack system or the system that people who are paid money to come up with this stuff have implemented (which, yes, often involves an actual designated singles line). Its irrelevant, you should still be able to split up a group to use whatever system is there.
That brings me back around to: "Staying together as a group throughout all your business on the entire mountain is an over exaggeration of my point. No one is of course suggesting this and its kind of irrelevant to be honest." I agree nobody is actually suggesting that. Its an over exaggeration that is being used to prove a point. Its meant to prove that it doesn't matter if you split the group as long as you use the line as intended because you're not in a group for the purposes of the line at that point. Think about it, the argument always falls back to, "but, they're a group." What's a group? A group of 10 lapping the same lift and riding the singles line (or using whatever system) at different times? 10 people at ten different lifts at the same time in the singles line?
The overall effect (especially across all lifts at a given area) is the same and it turns up that there is really no way to define a 'group' UNLESS you want to say that its a group of people who want to ride the same chair, otherwise, its not really a group.
And finally, you suggest that "[t]he only ones truly gaining efficiency are those using it and the groups who split to use it." If this is true then don't be a sucker, split your group up and use the singles line, there's nothing stopping you. Join me brother! If you're right and it is so flawed, then you should see it as your civic duty to exploit it as much as possible in order to uncover the flaws in the system that you're complaining about, you know, to bring about change.
Happy new year!!!!!