or Connect
EpicSki › The Barking Bear Forums › On the Snow (Skiing Forums) › General Skiing Discussion › How do you view the ethics of groups using the singles line?
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

How do you view the ethics of groups using the singles line? - Page 7

Poll Results: How do you view the ethics of groups using the singles line?

 
  • 62% (69)
    Totally ok with me without any ethical issue.
  • 24% (27)
    A trivial ethical issue and would prefer groups not do so.
  • 13% (15)
    Not so trivial an issue and don't want to see groups doing so.
  • 0% (0)
    No opinion.
111 Total Votes  
post #181 of 190
Quote:
Originally Posted by skier31 View Post
 

 

As many people have pointed out, the singles line is not always faster.  I have been in the singles line when there are many full groups in line and the singles line is actually slower.  

 

I am pretty sure that that singles lines were created to fill chairs with people so the lines move.  Long waits = unhappy customers.   I would bet that ski areas could care less if those people are part of a group of skiers or not. 


Single skiers in the group line NOT grouping up and taking a whole chair to themselves is what slows the line more than anything.  Right that resorts don't care as long as people in the singles line don't try to regroup before unloading.  The more chairs at capacity the better for all though.  Singles not paring up = lots more empty seats than when a singles line encourage them to double/triple/quad/six up.

post #182 of 190
Quote:
Originally Posted by crgildart View Post
 


Single skiers in the group line NOT grouping up and taking a whole chair to themselves is what slows the line more than anything.  Right that resorts don't care as long as people in the singles line don't try to regroup before unloading.  The more chairs at capacity the better for all though.  Singles not paring up = lots more empty seats than when a singles line encourage them to double/triple/quad/six up.

 

At Breck and Snowmass, when the lift lines are busy enough that it matters, there are lifties that direct the traffic and singles can only go when they are called so they don't have the option to go until they are allowed to go.

post #183 of 190

A mistake in your analysis is the assumption that the chair lift's goal is to get as many people up the hill as fast as possible.  

The chairs on the lift is not the limiting factor for uphill capacity.   Most resorts that have crowded lifts set the uphill capacity because of terrain and population control, not because the lift is maxed out.

They can easily juice the lift to run faster if they wanted more people up or add/remove chairs to set it up exactly how they want. 

 They ALREADY know that every so often a seat is going to go empty, and so if they know a lift is going to have a nominal 97% occupancy, they just include that in their uphill capacity calculations accordingly and setup the lift to get the uphill capacity that they want.  

There have been times when I've been told by a liftie to wait while they let a few chairs go up empty, and not because those chairs were under repair or damaged or the 20previous chairs had overweight folks.

post #184 of 190
Quote:
Originally Posted by skier31 View Post
 

 

As many people have pointed out, the singles line is not always faster.  I have been in the singles line when there are many full groups in line and the singles line is actually slower.  

 

I am pretty sure that that singles lines were created to fill chairs with people so the lines move.  Long waits = unhappy customers.   I would bet that ski areas could care less if those people are part of a group of skiers or not. 


That's a pretty good bet because no resort I recall has taken any measure to prevent group splits in the singles line. It'd really be as simple as adding "no group splits" to the "singles" sign that is affixed to every singles line. At that point, I'd agree with people saying that it's a shady move and bad etiquette. But since the resorts don't appear to care at all, why should anyone else? 

post #185 of 190

I posted a thread about one of our members getting written up in Powder and it got like 7 replies.  This thread, 71 and counting.  I seriously question if this is actually a "skiing forum" sometimes.  :eek

post #186 of 190
Never pull the bar down without asking permission of all on the lift!

Never!!!
post #187 of 190

Well it sounds like your post was more of a "read only" ... link? 

 

I think the emphasis here is often on the "forum" and not the "skiing". 

post #188 of 190
Quote:
Originally Posted by JoeUT View Post

Well it sounds like your post was more of a "read only" ... link? 



 



I think the emphasis here is often on the "forum" and not the "skiing". 


 



Yeah, I see what you are saying but I can provide more examples. I'm always surprised by the threads that blow up or don't blow up here.
post #189 of 190
Quote:
Originally Posted by crgildart View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ghost View Post

 


It's not sketchy at all.  If they are willing to split up their group and possibly not sit together on the way up, they are quite welcome to do it too.


It isn't against policy, but like a family of 4 splitting up 40 items to ten each at the supermarket 10 item lane the people behind you might see it as poor etiquette.  This thread is about etiquette not policy.  Nobody is saying groups can't do this..  only how it is perceived by the general public at the venue.
learn to read the mags on line. Teachable moments??
post #190 of 190

I totally got this thread confused with the other one.

New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: General Skiing Discussion
EpicSki › The Barking Bear Forums › On the Snow (Skiing Forums) › General Skiing Discussion › How do you view the ethics of groups using the singles line?