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New Skis!!! OMG, it used to be SL, GS or beginners What now after 20 years?

post #1 of 20
Thread Starter 

Hi,

 

My kids have started skiing, and now I am coming back to it after 20 years.

I raced in HS and 1 year of college.  So once upon a time.....

Anyways, I rented some skis the first year that my kids started to just to get them out on the hill.

Last year, I thought I was going to do some bar league racing and I bougt a pair of Salomon Race Room GS skis from someone who was sponsered.

The GS skis are great, but they want to make a certain radius turn and that is it.  Super for turning 6 or 7 times down the hill, but then you are at the bottom and times up.

I still like to mix it up with some quick snappy turns and burn out some longer turns as well.

The GS skis are just to slow from edge to edge to have fun with.

I've been told if I buy SL skis I will be unhappy at the other extreme end of the spectrum.  I guess they only max out at 155 now??

So.... what are the right skis to look at for midwestern skiing on manmade snow for someone that has done a lot of skiing in the past.

The rentals were the first parabolic skis I strapped on in my life.  It was pretty hillarious.  They want to start a turn like nothing I had ever experieced, but they were mushy soft and had no snap at all coming out of the turns.

I'm 6' tall and 200 pounds.

Thanks for any input.  Happy New Year

post #2 of 20

You can always go for a "cross turn" ski, an in-between gs and sl... I've been trying some lately cause I want something more turny than my R-Power but don't like small radius skis...

 

If you want to stay on-piste:

So there is the Fischer RC4 RC full on with the plate or smoother without... Smooth skis...tried them this morning but they really needed a tuning so still have to try them but liked what I saw...

There is also the  Blizzard S or G Power... really solid skis with full suspension so damp... and with smaller turn radius than my R-Power...

The Atomic redster double deck 3.0 XT... I tried them also today but not sure what to think... It was getting crowdy and I couln't open the machine... First impression is that it could be a nice ski but it would need to be at high speed to ski nicely; didn't like them at slower speed...

Stockli Laser sx: really nice edge grip and quite versatile for the categorie

 

Blizzard SRC could be nice too with the smallest radius of the bunch... dead stupid to ski...

post #3 of 20
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Originally Posted by mogsie View Post
 

You can always go for a "cross turn" ski, an in-between gs and sl... I've been trying some lately cause I want something more turny than my R-Power but don't like small radius skis...

 

If you want to stay on-piste:

So there is the Fischer RC4 RC full on with the plate or smoother without... Smooth skis...tried them this morning but they really needed a tuning so still have to try them but liked what I saw...

There is also the  Blizzard S or G Power... really solid skis with full suspension so damp... and with smaller turn radius than my R-Power...

The Atomic redster double deck 3.0 XT... I tried them also today but not sure what to think... It was getting crowdy and I couln't open the machine... First impression is that it could be a nice ski but it would need to be at high speed to ski nicely; didn't like them at slower speed...

Stockli Laser sx: really nice edge grip and quite versatile for the categorie

 

Blizzard SRC could be nice too with the smallest radius of the bunch... dead stupid to ski...


Add Head i.speed to the list, and if you don't mind going to SL radius also include Head i.SL RD and Head i. race and Fischer SC.   The SL radius skis won't feel as smooth at higher speeds and will be more dangerous, but you can always ski your GS skis when you feel the need for speed.

post #4 of 20
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Add Head i.speed to the list, and if you don't mind going to SL radius also include Head i.SL RD and Head i. race and Fischer SC.   The SL radius skis won't feel as smooth at higher speeds and will be more dangerous, but you can always ski your GS skis when you feel the need for speed.


Also add the Kastle RX12, it's a bit of a between ski.  Less turny than slalom, but more so than a GS.

I love my SL skis on clean groomers, but once they get chopped up, a slightly longer radius ski thats damp and busts crud better is more fun.

To the original poster, what is the radius on the GS skis you have?  Also, will you be simply free skiing or is there still racing in the future?  And finally, how tall is your local hill?

 

There are a lot of front side carvers and all mountain like the volkl code, elan ripstick, blizzard latigo, etc that thrive on medium radius turns.

 

post #5 of 20
Thread Starter 


Hi,

 

The GS ski is a 21m and 181cm long.

 

The majority of my skiing is at the local hill Spirit Mtn which has a total vertical of 700' and is virtually all manmade snow.

 

Thanks,
C

post #6 of 20
Nordica Fire Arrow 84EDT or the 80Ti. If there's a Nordica dealer in Duluth, see if they have a pair you can demo. The 84EDT is not for the faint of heart or someone with only intermediate skills. It is demanding but highly rewarding. The 80Ti is a step or two down, but still a good ski.
post #7 of 20
Thread Starter 


What does that realy mean?  Not for the feint of heart or intermediate skier?   Does it mean the ski needs some strength and skill to flex it?

I guess what I real want is something pretty close to a race SL ski but just slightly more laid back and a little longer - but close to race SL.

 

Thanks for the input - I do appreciate it.

post #8 of 20
Thread Starter 

One of the skis the local shop really push are the Volkl RTM's.

How does the slight differences underfoot affect the ski.

This is what is so frustrating today.  There are sooo many seemingly slight variations for all the manufacturers.

In the simple days, I just bought a pair of SL's and did everything with them.

post #9 of 20
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What does that realy mean?  Not for the feint of heart or intermediate skier?   Does it mean the ski needs some strength and skill to flex it?

I guess what I real want is something pretty close to a race SL ski but just slightly more laid back and a little longer - but close to race SL.

 

Thanks for the input - I do appreciate it.

Stockli Laser CX 177 cm, radius 15.4 m.  Done.

(if you want closer to slalom, Fischer RC4 WC SC).

post #10 of 20

Fischer Progressor 900. I guess this year it's called the Progressor F19, but appears to be the same ski.

 

It's a great a great SL/GS compromise with a dual radius sidecut for a variety of turn shapes depending on how/where you pressure it...13-17m I believe. I ski the RC4 Superior RC from time to time. It's GS oriented but a great, smooth, solid ski. The Progressor has a similar feel, but more vertsatile and a hair softer - but still very powerful.


Edited by LiveJazz - 12/29/15 at 10:46am
post #11 of 20
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Originally Posted by esoxproblem View Post
 

One of the skis the local shop really push are the Volkl RTM's.

How does the slight differences underfoot affect the ski.

This is what is so frustrating today.  There are sooo many seemingly slight variations for all the manufacturers.

In the simple days, I just bought a pair of SL's and did everything with them.

 

There have been a lot of good skis mentioned in this thread. Besides Volkl, what skis do you have access to at your local shops? Can you demo? 

 

You're right that there's a lot of similar skis... knowing which ones your local shops have can help narrow it down.

post #12 of 20

The new Volkl RTMs have been getting good reviews.  Worth considering.  The recommendation of the Fischer Progressor F19 is a good one.  I would also consider the Head Rallye.  All three are versatile all-mountain skis (not race skis) and would work well on a mid-western mountain with limited vertical. 

post #13 of 20
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Originally Posted by esoxproblem View Post
 

One of the skis the local shop really push are the Volkl RTM's.

How does the slight differences underfoot affect the ski.

This is what is so frustrating today.  There are sooo many seemingly slight variations for all the manufacturers.

In the simple days, I just bought a pair of SL's and did everything with them.

Fustrating... or fun! It depends how you see it...;)

 

The RTM has huge edge grip! Probably the most for the all mountain category... I owned the RTM81  in 175 or 176 2 seasons ago... Sold them for 2 reasons: don't like skis with no camber underfoot and I should have taken the 181 cm... New model do now have a "camber" underfoot but it is quite subttle...

 

One ski I tried on a small hill about same size as yours is the Elan Ripstick Fusion in 176

 

http://www.elanskis.com/us/product/RipStick-race.html

post #14 of 20
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Stockli Laser CX 177 cm, radius 15.4 m.  Done.
The Laser CX...a ski that I'd love to demo in 163 and 170 cm both. Do you own a pair?

Love the Stöckli Laser skis...Hope they don't add camber to the SX/CX that are due for refresh next yr.
post #15 of 20
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Originally Posted by Ghost View Post

Stockli Laser CX 177 cm, radius 15.4 m.  Done.
The Laser CX...a ski that I'd love to demo in 163 and 170 cm both. Do you own a pair?

Love the Stöckli Laser skis...Hope they don't add camber to the SX/CX that are due for refresh next yr.


Don't own one.  Do own a Fischer RC4 WC SC, which is my go-to ski for the smaller hills I usually ski these days.  Considering purchasing one; also considering the Laser SX; have a Loto 649 ticket.

post #16 of 20
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Don't own one.  Do own a Fischer RC4 WC SC, which is my go-to ski for the smaller hills I usually ski these days.  Considering purchasing one; also considering the Laser SX; have a Loto 649 ticket.

FYI, a pair of SX 162s are up for sale by @faustus.

post #17 of 20

I skied the Laser Cross for many years (loved it).... don't overlook the Laxer AX for a versatile ski.  Since your a traditional type of ski guy... I would also look at the 15/16 Volkl RTM (the previous versions have no camber/life) or the volkl code speedwall series.

post #18 of 20
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I skied the Laser Cross for many years (loved it).... don't overlook the Laxer AX for a versatile ski.  Since your a traditional type of ski guy... I would also look at the 15/16 Volkl RTM (the previous versions have no camber/life) or the volkl code speedwall series.

The Laser AX is an awesome ski. I own a pair of SX 170s. The OP's racer background, weight and height, however, gave me a little pause on recommending anything less than FIS race or cheater race skis although the OP did mention he/she wanted a bit of relaxed skis. 

post #19 of 20
I have some dynastar omeglass ti sl skis for skiing in the midwest. I love them around here. I keep the edges slightly detuned so they handle ungrromed terrain well and arent to agressive in packed pow. You wont hit the speed limit on them, they are 163's btw, i can rip big gs turns on them no problem. Then when i want them to be quick they are as fast as i can move them.
post #20 of 20

"Parabolic" is so 1995...wasn't that an Elan trademark?

 

Anyway, look for any frontside ski.  The Head Supershape line is one example, the Supershape Speed with it's 66 mm underfoot width is one great example, and the Supershape Rally at 76 mm is more versatile on hard pack/soft pack/bumps/crud (I own some).  6' & 200#, a pair of 170s are probably just right.  For a really zippy ski, look for something like the Head Worldcup Rebels.  Any modern recreational "slalom" ski will be more stable at speed than the old slalom race ski you're familiar with.  Ordinary rentals for beginner skiers will indeed be mushy.  You want "demo" rentals to try.  All you need to do is to lay them over on their sides, and they'll turn you.  Relax your legs, they'll flatten and release from the turn, and then lay them over on the other sides.

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