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2016 Head Worldcup Rebels i.Speed 175 17m

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  A bit of background first, I work as a ski instructor at a local ski area.  As such I am able to demo all sorts ski's.  I tend to stick to the race breed of skis and am also on a local league.  My daily ski is a Fischer FIS WC Slalom ski and I own the Rossignol Hero Master in a 180 length.  I am around 200 lbs and around 6' tall.  The boots I usually use are 130 flex Fischer vacuum boots.  I am a very aggressive skier yet have a lot to learn.

 

  The conditions this weekend were not ideal for GS ski demo as we had three inches of powder the night before.  It was quite chopped up in the afternoon and a mix of conditions.  With that stated I tend to like to use a more stable ski for these conditions.  Slalom skis can be fun but a bit more work for these types of conditions.  The worldcup rebels that I was able to rent where 175 cm in length.  I would tend to normally rent a longer length but this is what they had in stock.  The ski was around 17m which is a fairly decent cheater side cut.  

 

  The first run was to the top of the chair on a midwest black diamond run.  This run tends to be my favorite as it has a few dips, ridges and drops that are quite fun.  I usually wait for others to go fairly far down the run as I like to let skis like this run.  This time I did not do that however and ended up right next to someone.  It's one of those places that I don't like to be in because others can tend to push you into situations you don't want to be in.  Instead of continuing on with my long turns I had to break them up into some rather quick radius turns.  These skis seemed to be okay with whatever I would throw at them.  They didn't have issues with the crud, and could go into fast transitions as well.  The mid of the ski is around 66 and it makes a difference.  I am used to my masters which are at a 70 waist and that tends to make for slower transitions. Even if you want to throw fast transitions at a Master they just don't really do it.  These however seemed to oblige with pretty much any radius and transition that I would throw at them.  They are of course not as fast as a slalom ski or as stable as a masters but feel right in the middle.  I didn't get a ton of runs on them and was not able to throw them into a course.  Still they would be up there on my list if I could run into them for a great price.  I still don't know what the rebound is like either.  I tend to like a lot of energy from a ski and if the slopes where groomed I would have launched them into the air on purpose.  Still they felt very predictable and easy to initialize.  

 

  These skis feel like they could be a great ski as a cheater.  As I stated they are faster to transition, and quite stable.  Although after skiing on them I switched to my masters.  Running the same hill things I felt with the Head ski the Rossignol would just go through like a tanker.  They didn't even give me the feedback that I felt with the Head ski.  Then again that could tend to lead to issues as well.  This ski seems to be in the same league as the Volkl UVO GS as well.  Either of those skis is on my short list if I can find one at a reasonable price.  I still would like to run them through a course and see what the difference is between a Masters and a cheater ski.  This is something hopefully I will be able to do at a later time this year.  It would seem that a Masters ski will be more stable slower to transition and take more strength to utilize.  The cheater skis are all less than 19m seem to be easier to ski, faster to transition and of course less strength to utilize.  I would be interested in hearing anyone's comparison between masters and cheater GS skis.  It would seem like if you have the strength you should be able to get more speed out of a masters ski.  

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Did you by chance pull the trigger on these I am looking for more details as I am considering this ski as well.

 

I'm close to your size at 6'1" 185-190 and would opt for the 180-185. A colleague of mine who is an ex racer and 6'4" 215lbs has a pair in the 185 and likes them. There a shorter turn alternative to his Rossi FIS GS with 25m radius. His surprise with these skis and it seems to be a common comment with the new Head Rebels is the rebound energy. He's finding he has to be mindful of how he loads and transitions this ski when he gets after it it as he's gotten airborne a few times. I suspect the 185 is quite a bit more ski than the 175 you demo'd and soft conditions you had were perhaps masking this power.

 

Noticed these reviews

http://www.yellowgentian.com/ski-reviews/piste/head-worldcup-rebels-i-speed#ell-s-review-expert-giant-slalom-skier 

http://www.yellowgentian.com/ski-reviews/piste/head-worldcup-rebels-i-speed#gijs-review-intermediate-piste-skier 

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Originally Posted by ChrisCrash View Post
 

Did you by chance pull the trigger on these I am looking for more details as I am considering this ski as well.

 

I'm close to your size at 6'1" 185-190 and would opt for the 180-185. A colleague of mine who is an ex racer and 6'4" 215lbs has a pair in the 185 and likes them. There a shorter turn alternative to his Rossi FIS GS with 25m radius. His surprise with these skis and it seems to be a common comment with the new Head Rebels is the rebound energy. He's finding he has to be mindful of how he loads and transitions this ski when he gets after it it as he's gotten airborne a few times. I suspect the 185 is quite a bit more ski than the 175 you demo'd and soft conditions you had were perhaps masking this power.

 

Noticed these reviews

http://www.yellowgentian.com/ski-reviews/piste/head-worldcup-rebels-i-speed#ell-s-review-expert-giant-slalom-skier 

http://www.yellowgentian.com/ski-reviews/piste/head-worldcup-rebels-i-speed#gijs-review-intermediate-piste-skier 

 

I did pull the trigger so to speak on them.  I found a newer pair of 180 cm skis ebay and am in deep regret.  The guy said perfect edges, base is great only skied on 15 times.  I got them and it looks like he was taking sandpaper to the edges on the base.  They where not prepped or waxed correctly so there is oxidation, and the edges are far from perfect lots of rust...  So sort of in a battle right now to get my money back at the moment.  I paid way too much for them to be in this condition. 

 

As such I did put some effort into trying to fix them first.  I ran a base prep wax, hot scraped, and then put a good wax on them.  Then I used a chrome and diamond file to try to get rid of all the berms on the side of the edges.  I also ran them through a course.  I can't say I am impressed and not sure what the issue is, going to watch the video shortly.  I also had my boot somewhat looser than when I ran with my Rossignol Hero.  We had warm days all last week and as such the race day was 28 degrees and it was very slippery.  I had zero issues with my Hero's, but just bounced all over the place with the Head Worldcup Rebels.  It took a lot more effort to hold an edge if I could get them to hold at all.  My time was well over a second off with them.  Again I blame the condition of the ski more than anything else.  I don't really even know that the base is at the correct bevel anymore...  I will never buy on ebay again.

 

As for the rebound I don't know what to say.  I never felt that they had a ton, but then I am used to a FIS slalom ski, my Rossignol Hero, and a FIS 27 meter volkl ski.  It could also be my weight but I never felt them rebound.  They just feel like a well rounded ski that is very predictable.  Maybe if I had more time with them I would know more.  Usually when you find rebound its either when you release in transition and move vertically to spring for giggles.  Of course the other time I find rebound is that one time you get to far back on the tail and find out it exists ;).  My point being that they don't seem to rebound like my other skis.  It could be that I just have not found it yet or have not really pushed them to the same point.

  Either way I wish I had better news on these but if they are anything like this pair, I would pass.  Get the Hero's because they are a tank and will hold on anything.  Ironic enough it also takes far less effort in a course with my Hero's.  The problem I had with these is because of the condition of the ski that I got.  I had no problems with the demo ski in a course.


Edited by utahsaint - 2/26/16 at 7:35am
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So much different than the Volkl UVO GS which I owned for a bit.

 

Way quicker, much twitchier, wicked grip by comparison. Total attention to exact performance. But the Heads were a thrill. 

 

BTW, the UVO's were a bit longer than usual (3cm) for me, and that may well have been the difference along w/ perhaps tune. 

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Originally Posted by Carving Lance View Post
 

So much different than the Volkl UVO GS which I owned for a bit.

 

Way quicker, much twitchier, wicked grip by comparison. Total attention to exact performance. But the Heads were a thrill. 

 

BTW, the UVO's were a bit longer than usual (3cm) for me, and that may well have been the difference along w/ perhaps tune. 

 

I had a different opinion on the UVO.  I didn't expect much and that could have been part of it.  The Volkl ski's I have been on have been FIS skis or a jr ski.  So being on a cheater GS Volkl was sort of a treat.  I didn't ski the Head back to back with the UVO so have no comparison on transitions, or twitchiness.  The one thing I remember is that they had a fair amount of rebound and I was able to bounce them quite easily.  I see them as in the same league as in another cheater that what would have some desire.  The other difference for Volkl is that the demo  I was able to get was around 180 cm length and the Head was in the 175 length.  So that could be part of the difference as well.  I know either ski second hand fetches a pretty penny in good newer condition.

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I demoed and purchased the Rebel I Speed in a 180 as I was cautioned to buy that length for the best performance from the ski. (muleski) One of the most exciting skis I have been on and one of the best in edge grip, rebound and huge grin factor. Demo was .5 and 3 tune. Had to have it! 

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Originally Posted by utahsaint View Post
 
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Originally Posted by Carving Lance View Post
 

So much different than the Volkl UVO GS which I owned for a bit.

 

Way quicker, much twitchier, wicked grip by comparison. Total attention to exact performance. But the Heads were a thrill. 

 

BTW, the UVO's were a bit longer than usual (3cm) for me, and that may well have been the difference along w/ perhaps tune. 

 

I had a different opinion on the UVO.  I didn't expect much and that could have been part of it.  The Volkl ski's I have been on have been FIS skis or a jr ski.  So being on a cheater GS Volkl was sort of a treat.  I didn't ski the Head back to back with the UVO so have no comparison on transitions, or twitchiness.  The one thing I remember is that they had a fair amount of rebound and I was able to bounce them quite easily.  I see them as in the same league as in another cheater that what would have some desire.  The other difference for Volkl is that the demo  I was able to get was around 180 cm length and the Head was in the 175 length.  So that could be part of the difference as well.  I know either ski second hand fetches a pretty penny in good newer condition.

It seems from quite a few testers the 175 and 185 ski quite a bit different then the 180.

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