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Montana Laser Waxer

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Has anyone tried the new Montana Laser Waxer? I hear it does with lasers in 3 minutes what a hot box does after several 24 hour treatments. It also doesn't cause issues with the core & bindings that a hot box can.
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Originally Posted by cbtbakkes View Post

Has anyone tried the new Montana Laser Waxer? I hear it does with lasers in 3 minutes what a hot box does after several 24 hour treatments. It also doesn't cause issues with the core & bindings that a hot box can.


That's an infrared light.  It's not a laser.

Wax absorption into a sintered base is more a function of time and not heat.

In other words less iron temp. and several passes taking a long time to heat the ski is better.

In the best words nothing beats a hot box for absorption of wax.

The hot box heats the entire ski, but not too hot for a long period of TIME.

Heating one side only creates more stress on the ski.  That's why we see the skis camber change when we use an iron.

Iron temps. can be very high.  A hot box not so high.  Safer.

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My local shop got one of the IR ones last year. Pretty awesome. The operator can dial in speed of lamp passes and number of passes IIRC. As far as I can tell, best wax job you can get. If they made a home version, I'd be all over it.

 

FWIW - I am a hot box skeptic. Not skeptical about the ability to wax using them. Just about whether or not it is materially better than any other form of warm/hot waxing. And what the impact to the ski and binding is. The level of wax penetration into a UHMWPE base - sintered, or otherwise, is minimal.

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Spindrift there is a "home" version.
PM me for details.
post #5 of 14
So how is this better than a proper waxing Iron?

Temp is temp no? No doubt it can make the waxing process a bit easier, maybe use slightly less wax, but I fail to see meaningful difference from what I know so far.
post #6 of 14
But lasers are so cool!! 😅
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Originally Posted by sibhusky View Post

But lasers are so cool!! 😅


X2 on shark's heads

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Originally Posted by hbear View Post

So how is this better than a proper waxing Iron?

Temp is temp no? No doubt it can make the waxing process a bit easier, maybe use slightly less wax, but I fail to see meaningful difference from what I know so far.


Truth, but it may be safer than some person with a way hot iron!  Heat is heat and time is time!  Less heat, more time is always best.

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Originally Posted by hbear View Post

So how is this better than a proper waxing Iron?

Temp is temp no? No doubt it can make the waxing process a bit easier, maybe use slightly less wax, but I fail to see meaningful difference from what I know so far
 

I can't say better or worse.

 

It's better for the shop.  As skis are in the Montana Machine, staff can be doing something else.  The machine works without supervision, for less than minimum wage, and doesn't take powder days or benefits.

 

Time is money, even in Ski Town USA

post #10 of 14
Makes sense for a shop, although I'm sure there is a hefty capital expenditure to purchase it. Would be a while before breakeven.
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Makes sense for a shop, although I'm sure there is a hefty capital expenditure to purchase it. Would be a while before breakeven.


That's why the prices are high!  The super fancy tuning machine cost a jillion.  The infrared waxer maybe not so much.  Like I said I would feel safer with that infrared machine than some greenhorn with an iron!

post #12 of 14
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The theory (I was told) is it helps permeate the base pores with wax. Especially on new skis that have not been waxed. He recommend this as a one time thing for skis but at most once a year.

I watched him do this to my new skis. He used an iron to coat the base with wax. Then put them on the $10,000 Montana support's, ran the machine over the skis for 3-5 minutes. After the skis cooled he hand scrapped & brushed the bases.

Being new skis I was planning on waxing a few times with my iron before skiing to get as much wax into the bases as I could. But this is a great way to accomplish the same thing or better and saved me a ton of time and ness in my kitchen. The normal charge is $30.
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When I have seen this machine in use, there was no scraping involved. A light layer of wax rubbed on over the whole  base, a few IR machine passes, maybe a light buff. Done.

 

Maybe someone familiar with the machine can weigh in?

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Originally Posted by spindrift View Post

When I have seen this machine in use, there was no scraping involved. A light layer of wax rubbed on over the whole  base, a few IR machine passes, maybe a light buff. Done.

Maybe someone familiar with the machine can weigh in?

The base can only hold X amount of wax. I guess if you have less than that amount of wax tlit would all get absorbed. If you have more than that it won't and you'll need to scrape off the excess.
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