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post #31 of 43
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If you can swing the money, consider Hart - a mogul,ski that does all mountain

You may also want to PM. Dawgcatching as he demos lots of skis and most of his reviews speak to moguls in particular


My suggestions for improvement in moguls: deeper absorb, greater turn finish. These are less critical on shallower terrain but make all the difference on steeper terrain with larger moguls

Mogul skis don't have a ton of sidecut, so narrower pow skis can often do well as a mogul ski Too wide and you will find your skis clacking tigether a lot

Yeah, the Hart f17 Classics are what most of the bumpers suggest.  I'm a little afraid that I will  hate them in the cut up powder I get once or twice a year.  Furthermore, I demoed the Volkl Wall Mogul a year ago and it trashed me.  I really didn't like it in the bumps, I really really didn't like it on groomers, and I hated it in crud/chopped up powder.

I looked up Dawgcatching and he seems to be pretty busy this time a year, but maybe he'll find a few minutes to give me some advice.  Thanks for the contact.

post #32 of 43
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I ski the Motive 88 which was replaced by the 86ti.  Very similar skis.  It's a pretty decent bump ski, but maybe not one I would put at the top of the list for what you are looking for. That said I've skied it in bumps in Vermont (MUCH firmer than what your are used to) as well as Summit County CO.

Thanks Jim, I'll add those to the list.  I assume the "ti" indicates titanium, suggesting they're pretty stiff?

post #33 of 43
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I enjoyed watching the video of you in the moguls.  Impressive as far as I am concerned.  Last time I skied I was trying moguls and am looking forward to skiing them this year.  

Thanks man!  I'll take any compliments I can find.

post #34 of 43
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I've been skiing on the Nordica NRGY 80 which is a great bump ski and is really easy going. It's the best bump ski I've been on. It's more of a narrow all mountain ski rather than a dedicated groomer zoomer. The dimensions are really similar to the Latigo and from what I've read, skis very similarly. It has straighter profile than most carvers but still does really well on soft to firm groomers. It's not awesome on ice but thankfully we don't get too much of that in CO. It's rockered tip and tail and cambered underfoot and does suffer a bit in the crud. It's a really light feeling, energetic ski that's pretty quick edge to edge. It's not as lightening quick as the Fisher Progressor 8+ that I've replaced it with but makes short radius turns with ease. It'll carve, skid and scarve if you want and makes any size turn if have the skills. It's a bit on the narrow end of the skis you're considering but will work well for just about anything less than 4-5" of fresh. A couple of weeks ago Evo.com was blowing out these for $369 with bindings and free shipping which is a great deal. Hope this helps.

I heard the NRGY's were a little too stiff for this sort of skiing.  But, I was looking exclusively at the 90, maybe the 80 is a little softer?

 

I'll dig into it, thanks for the input.

post #35 of 43
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So I rented Scott's The Ski at WC this season, and I found it was surprisingly stiff.  I then got on a pair of Volkl Kinks (171cm) and loved them:

 

https://youtu.be/vmLsmSAsNnw
https://youtu.be/jmyKz-iONrk

 

Maybe because they were shorter than I've been on in years, but I think it's probably due to the flex and mild sidecut.  Anyway, I felt like I was just starting to approach real mogul technique.

Speaking of technique, please keep the critiques coming, I'll take nothing personally.

post #36 of 43

+1 on the FX84, which is just pretty smooth and compliant, with plenty of torsional rigidity.  If you can try it somewhere (no demos now, unfortunately), you should — a brilliant ski. I've seen it for sale, both new and used, at very good prices, but I assume stock will be dwindling. (I'd buy a second pair myself, if I had cash to throw around.) The FX85, which replaced the FX84, has it's metal and nonmetal versions, and it seems as if Segbrown thought the non-HP (non-metal) version a brilliant bump ski.  That would be available for demo, too.

 

Take my word with lots of salt, but people who do ski bumps well like the FXs a lot.

post #37 of 43
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I heard the NRGY's were a little too stiff for this sort of skiing.  But, I was looking exclusively at the 90, maybe the 80 is a little softer?

 

I'll dig into it, thanks for the input.

The 80 is not too stiff for mogul skiing. It has titanium in the tip and tail that has areas cut out (take a look a the top sheet) to give it some stiffness but not too much. I think the titanium underfoot is a full sheet which gives it more stability at speed. It is a very light feeling, easy, agile, fun ski. Very good slow speed manners and very forgiving as well. The more I ski them the more I like them.

post #38 of 43

I saw the NRG 80 blowout on Evo and was thinking of picking them up.. what is your height/weight and what length did you get?  would you upsize or downsize?

post #39 of 43
I'm 5'6" 150lbs and got the 169cm length. The Fisher Progressor 8+ I replaced with the NRGY 80 are 165cm. If you're between sizes I'd go longer due to the rockered tip and tail. If you like a light feeling, quick, maneuverable ski you're not likely to be disappointed. It's really easy to ski and a ton of fun.
post #40 of 43
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+1 on the FX84, which is just pretty smooth and compliant, with plenty of torsional rigidity.  If you can try it somewhere (no demos now, unfortunately), you should — a brilliant ski. I've seen it for sale, both new and used, at very good prices, but I assume stock will be dwindling. (I'd buy a second pair myself, if I had cash to throw around.) The FX85, which replaced the FX84, has it's metal and nonmetal versions, and it seems as if Segbrown thought the non-HP (non-metal) version a brilliant bump ski.  That would be available for demo, too.



 



Take my word with lots of salt, but people who do ski bumps well like the FXs a lot.


 



Thanks man. It looks like I'm able to find a few used. Does it ski pretty true to length?
post #41 of 43
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The 80 is not too stiff for mogul skiing. It has titanium in the tip and tail that has areas cut out (take a look a the top sheet) to give it some stiffness but not too much. I think the titanium underfoot is a full sheet which gives it more stability at speed. It is a very light feeling, easy, agile, fun ski. Very good slow speed manners and very forgiving as well. The more I ski them the more I like them.

 



Good to know and good to hear. I'll be keeping an eye out for a good deal on these.
post #42 of 43
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Originally Posted by lakespapa View Post
 

+1 on the FX84, which is just pretty smooth and compliant, with plenty of torsional rigidity.  If you can try it somewhere (no demos now, unfortunately), you should — a brilliant ski. I've seen it for sale, both new and used, at very good prices, but I assume stock will be dwindling. (I'd buy a second pair myself, if I had cash to throw around.) The FX85, which replaced the FX84, has it's metal and nonmetal versions, and it seems as if Segbrown thought the non-HP (non-metal) version a brilliant bump ski.  That would be available for demo, too.

 

 

 

Take my word with lots of salt, but people who do ski bumps well like the FXs a lot.

 



Thanks man. It looks like I'm able to find a few used. Does it ski pretty true to length?

 

Pretty close to length, I'd say.  Your definition of "true-to-length" may vary, but the FX doesn't ski super short (like an Enforcer) or long like an MX. It has a rounded tail that releases easily, and a touch of early rise.

 

I ski the FX in a 168, and it feels just right.  My square-tailed, early-rise Rossi Pursuit 18 skis long at 170; that tail just hangs on, hangs a bit too long for NE trails in WROD season. 

post #43 of 43
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Thanks Jim, I'll add those to the list.  I assume the "ti" indicates titanium, suggesting they're pretty stiff?

I included my experience with the Motive 88 as someone else had suggested the 86ti.  I've never skied the 86ti, but am pretty sure it's very similar to my Motive 88s. Lots of reviews out there, so a little research will tell you if its worth considering.  I find the Motive 88 to be a great ski for my annual trip to Summit County.  Good on the groomers when there hasn't been fresh snow in awhile, good bump ski, and wide enough for all but the deepest powder days.  

 

And don't even consider dedicated mogul skis.  They are for those that ski moguls using the competition zipperline technique.  That's not you from the videos you posted.    

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