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post #1 of 18
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I am planning a ski trip on 1/8 to 1/10 with four of my friends.

 

As of now, I am looking at a 3 day lesson package at Gore Mountain. I saw that they only have a couple green trails, so I am not sure is this a good place for us to start. I do not want to repeat the same trail for 3 days, because that might get a bit boring after several runs. Another concern I have is that weather seems really warm this year.

Questions:

1) Is gore mountain a good place to start for a few first timer?

2) How long does it take us to learn enough to hit some easy blue trail?

3) Do you think the weather will be too warm for skiing by 1/8?

 

Of course, I will always be up for other suggestions and tips! Thanks.

post #2 of 18
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Originally Posted by runikg View Post
 

I am planning a ski trip on 1/8 to 1/10 with four of my friends.

 

As of now, I am looking at a 3 day lesson package at Gore Mountain. I saw that they only have a couple green trails, so I am not sure is this a good place for us to start. I do not want to repeat the same trail for 3 days, because that might get a bit boring after several runs. Another concern I have is that weather seems really warm this year.

Questions:

1) Is gore mountain a good place to start for a few first timer?

2) How long does it take us to learn enough to hit some easy blue trail?

3) Do you think the weather will be too warm for skiing by 1/8?

 

Of course, I will always be up for other suggestions and tips! Thanks.

Welcome to EpicSki!  Unfortunately, this is not the best season to find a good place as a beginner in the northeast given the unusually warm weather for the past month.  However, since you are not going until after the New Year, I have no doubt there will be more terrain open that you'll be able to handle when doing the lesson package.  Are your friends beginners too?  How old are you, if you don't mind me asking (teens, 20s, 30s, older)?

 

Gore is a good mountain for beginners and intermediates.  For one thing, it tends not be be as crowded as some of the ski areas closer to NJ/NYC.  The 3-day lesson package is a good deal.

 

As for the weather forecast for early Jan, it's supposed to get cold by then and stay cold.  Once there is a good base from snowmaking, you might actually prefer slightly warmer weather than the usual Adirondack chill (teens during the day).

post #3 of 18
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Yes, all of us are first timer.  I am already 22, so I am not that young to start learning how to ski! Yes, I am willing to drive up to 5 hours to get to less crowded area, so I was looking at NY or VT. Is there any other places that has more beginner trail that you would suggest?

post #4 of 18
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Originally Posted by runikg View Post
 

Yes, all of us are first timer.  I am already 22, so I am not that young to start learning how to ski! Yes, I am willing to drive up to 5 hours to get to less crowded area, so I was looking at NY or VT. Is there any other places that has more beginner trail that you would suggest?


Hah!  I know people who learned to ski after age 40, or even 50.  But I understand what you are thinking.  Little kids pick up skiing in no time at all.  My daughter was riding the chairlift on her first day of ski school . . . at age 4.

 

Honestly, no big mountain needs to have lots of beginner trails.  Greens are good for learning, but skiing becomes much more fun when you can ski blues.  Note that trail ratings only apply to a given mountain.  A blue at Gore is not the same as a blue at Whiteface.  The thing about looking at a trail map is that you can't really tell the scale.  Every trail map is about the same size, whether the total acreage is 50 acres, 500 acres, or 5000 acres.  I doubt very much you would get bored at Gore.

 

Assuming you are driving north on the NY Thruway, it's much simpler to get to Gore than to go across into VT.  Definitely will be more crowded in VT on a weekend.  The places in the Catskills that are closer are Hunter, Windham, and Belleayre.  Belleayre is owned by ORDA, which also owns Gore and Whiteface.  Had the same 3-day beginner package.  However, you have picked a good time.  Probably one of the least crowded weekends during Jan-Feb in general.

 

I think it's worth the drive up to Gore.  Either stay in Warrensburg (cheap motels) or the hostel in North Creek (tiny town, 5 min from Gore).

 

Notice that the Belleayre program guarantees you will ski from the top of the mountain after 3 lessons, which means easy blues.  Assuming you may ski again this season, the discount card could come in handy.

 

From Belleayre website:

   

PARALLEL FROM THE START – Ski Only

This all-inclusive program is perfect for the first-time skier. The package includes a beginner lower mountain lift ticket, 1.5 hour class lesson, and rental. We recommend our 3-day program. After 3 days we guarantee you'll get to the top of the mountain.  After you complete your 3 days, your card automatically turns into a discount card.  With your discount card, you will receive 50% off midweek tickets, 25% off weekend & holiday tickets, every 6th day is free and bring a friend discounts to get you coming back and visiting Belleayre, Gore and Whiteface mountains.

Ages: 13 & Up 
Lesson Times: Daily at 10am, 12 noon & 2pm 
1 Day Price: $79 - 1 day of beginner lower mountain only lift ticket, ski and boot rental and group lessons.  
3 Day Price: $169 - 3 days of beginner lower mountain only lift tickets, rentals and group lessons. This program can be used non-consecutively anytime during the 2015-2016 season at Belleayre, Gore and Whiteface mountains.

post #5 of 18
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I see. That sounds really nice. I heard another place call Killington that seems to be really popular. There seems to be more beginner trails if some of us do not catch on that quick. Do you know how is Killington compare to Gore? By the way, thanks for the response, that was great!

post #6 of 18
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I see. That sounds really nice. I heard another place call Killington that seems to be really popular. There seems to be more beginner trails if some of us do not catch on that quick. Do you know how is Killington compare to Gore? By the way, thanks for the response, that was great!


Not sure how I can explain this any better . . . you will not be bored at Gore in terms of the skiing.  There is no reason to drive farther to a "really popular" place if the point of the trip is to have a good time with friends learning to ski.  Just the opposite, you are better off in a place with fewer beginners.  If you lived in DC, I would be recommending you learn at Massanutten, which is much, much smaller than Belleayre, which is smaller than Gore.  On the other hand, if what you want is to party in the evenings, that's a completely different story.

 

To compare ski resorts, check out OnTheSnow.  There is a Resort Finder you can try to see what suggestions pop up for beginners within driving distance of where you live.

 

The goal of a 3-day beginner package is to teach people enough skills (turning, stopping) so that they are not stuck on green trails.  Assuming your friends are around the same age, I have no doubt that will be the case.  May not even take 2 lessons.  Best approach is to ask the instructor after the first lesson which trails would be best until the next lesson.

 

Skiing is fun.  Skiing is not that hard to learn with lessons.  If you want to get a little head start, go ice skating before the ski trip.  After the first trip, if you want to plan a trip to a "popular" place, go for it.  Note that "destination ski resorts" like Killington and Stowe are more typically much more expensive, as well as more crowded on weekends and holidays.

 

What other sports do you and your friends like to play?

post #7 of 18
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Okay, well all that is left is for me to convince my friends that a not as popular place also be fun. I did get better deals at gore, so at least financially it will help with the convincing. I live in NYC, so gore is not too difficult for me to get to. I checked out OnTheSnow website just now, that was really helpful. Well, I am just concern about my girlfriend, because she is not a really sporty person. As for sport, other than my girlfriend, the rest of us have our own hobbies. I usually go for a few miles jog every weekend, and I play soccer with my friends sometimes. My friend and My brother also run like 8 miles every weekend, and they also do some swimming. My other friend play basketball on weekend when weather permitted. I really want to try skiing for a long time, unfortunately I was not able to do that financially until I started working recently. This will be very exciting for me!

post #8 of 18
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Originally Posted by runikg View Post
 

Okay, well all that is left is for me to convince my friends that a not as popular place also be fun. I did get better deals at gore, so at least financially it will help with the convincing. I live in NYC, so gore is not too difficult for me to get to. I checked out OnTheSnow website just now, that was really helpful. Well, I am just concern about my girlfriend, because she is not a really sporty person. As for sport, other than my girlfriend, the rest of us have our own hobbies. I usually go for a few miles jog every weekend, and I play soccer with my friends sometimes. My friend and My brother also run like 8 miles every weekend, and they also do some swimming. My other friend play basketball on weekend when weather permitted. I really want to try skiing for a long time, unfortunately I was not able to do that financially until I started working recently. This will be very exciting for me!


You might be surprised at your GF.  My niece was not sporty at all growing up.  She was a really good dancer though.  Went on day trips with Girl Scouts and picked up skiing very quickly.  Having good balance helps, especially 1-leg balance.

 

How about this analogy . . . would you rather learn to swim in a crowded pool or an empty one?  Or would you rather jog on a running path that's crowded or a path that's empty? 

 

Let's see if @LiquidFeet would stop by with advice for prep before the trip.  She's an instructor who teaches beginning adults in New England.

 

Have you thought about what to wear to keep warm?  There are some basics that will make for a much better ski weekend.  Unlike this people who live in the southeast, you can find everything fairly easily in NYC.  Note that you can rent a helmet so no need for that yet.  If you get hooked, there may actually be some stuff on sale before Christmas because the season is getting such a slow start.  Late season sales can start any time after Pres. Day.

 

http://www.epicski.com/t/143927/help-this-noob-in-south-carolina-jacket-layers-etc

 

http://www.epicski.com/t/143035/questions-from-a-beginner-from-tn-going-to-co-a-beginner-zone-thread

 

I grew up in NYC.  But moved south a long time ago.  I've skied at Gore recently because my daughter is in school in Lake Placid.  Since I'm retired and drive up from NC to the Adirondacks, I know the NY Thruway well.

post #9 of 18
Thread Starter 

Got your analogy. As for clothing, we actually did not plan that far ahead yet, but I did some quick google search and came up with a few things. 

 

Mask - http://www.amazon.com/Ergodyne-N-Ferno-6823-Wind-proof-Balaclava/dp/B0091CC1OG/ref=pd_sim_468_3?ie=UTF8&dpID=41kjCeIT6BL&dpSrc=sims&preST=_AC_UL160_SR90%2C160_&refRID=0XY6GJDSZXZ08XHR60JQ 

I don't know how well I will breathe in cold air going down hill, so I will get it just in case.

 

Google - http://www.amazon.com/Bolle-20569-75-Mojo-Snow-Goggles/dp/B0042DOT6W/ref=pd_sim_200_2?ie=UTF8&dpID=41BoNUwHa2L&dpSrc=sims&preST=_AC_UL200_SR160%2C200_&refRID=02G5N4SGHNSMTTGP3XBG

I do not know if I can get a goggle from my ski rental, so I will take this just in case.

 

Pant - http://www.amazon.com/Arctix-Insulated-Cargo-Snowsports-Pants/dp/B005SRCA8A/ref=sr_1_3?s=apparel&ie=UTF8&qid=1450238517&sr=1-3&nodeID=7141123011&keywords=ski

A random search for pants that is excellent for my budget, and did a decent jobs for others.

 

Jacket - http://www.amazon.com/WantDo-Waterproof-Mountain-Jacket-Windproof/dp/B00NHO4WCS/ref=pd_sim_468_4?ie=UTF8&dpID=41ww5RX3OFL&dpSrc=sims&preST=_AC_UL160_SR130%2C160_&refRID=0XY6GJDSZXZ08XHR60JQ

Another random search for jackets that is excellent for my budget,  and do a decent jobs for others

 

I am planning on adding more layers under the jacket and pants, but I am hoping the listed jacket and pant will at least keep majority of the snow out. I am not sure are any of these good choice to be honest, but I do not plan on spending too much into the clothing yet.

post #10 of 18

Investing in goggles is a good idea.  The difficulty with buying online is that it's hard to know which goggles will fit.  If you can get to a ski shop or large outdoor gear store like REI, you can at least try some things on.  Have heard good things about Emilio's in Queens.

 

What you are missing from the list are gloves and ski socks.  Do not skimp on ski socks.  They do NOT need to be super thick but should be long.  Base layers and mid-layers should not be made of cotton.

 

Evo, Sierra Trading Post, levelninesports are often mentioned as e-stores for ski stuff at good prices.

post #11 of 18
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Okay, I will look into the gloves and socks too. Hey, just a curious question, do you think there will be some snow by 1/8 in the east coast? I was looking at the weather forecast at gore mountain, and it doesn't looking good. I prefer not to ski on grass and rocks. Haha. My problem is that there is a 14 days return policy, so I really have until next week to decide whether or not we are going. 

post #12 of 18
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Originally Posted by runikg View Post
 

Okay, I will look into the gloves and socks too. Hey, just a curious question, do you think there will be some snow by 1/8 in the east coast? I was looking at the weather forecast at gore mountain, and it doesn't looking good. I prefer not to ski on grass and rocks. Haha. My problem is that there is a 14 days return policy, so I really have until next week to decide whether or not we are going. 


I would wait before making a lodging reservation.  That weekend won't be busy.

 

The reality is that for any place in the northeast, most skiing in early Jan will be on trails with manmade snow.  Note that in PA/VA/NC where I ski when I drive, 100% of the trails have snowmaking.  So when you look at weather forecasts, what matters is the temperatures at night in the next couple weeks.  Gore has added a lot of snowmaking capability in recent years.  That's the only reason they managed to have anything open by Thanksgiving.

post #13 of 18
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Do you know how is Killington compare to Gore?
Gore's a great hill, the town's not much but I'd rather go there than Killington any day. Tell your friends to trust us, you won't be bored, there's plenty there for everyone.
Edited by chilehed - 12/16/15 at 4:17am
post #14 of 18
Thread Starter 

Alright, I will keep looking at the weather, and hope the night time temperature will drop below freezing then. Thanks for all the advices.

post #15 of 18
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Alright, I will keep looking at the weather, and hope the night time temperature will drop below freezing then. Thanks for all the advices.


The best source I've found for Gore conditions is the ongoing thread on the NYSkiBlog.  Gore is making snow as much as possible during the cold snap.

 

http://forum.nyskiblog.com/Gore-Conditions-td4065337i100.html#a4067841

post #16 of 18
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I am getting close to the time when I need to decide where or cancel the whole trip. Today Gore has 7 trails open(3 trails a couple days before), but none of them is for beginner. Killington has 24 trails open(15 trails a couple day before), and they seems to be pumping out more snow. I know there might be less people at gore, but I am also worry I won't be able to do anything there by 1/8. I have like half a month to go, some forecast seems to say it will be cold enough at night. Also I am not sure what's the difference is for a beginner skiing on early season condition vs like a mid season condition. I just want to make sure everyone have a good experience, so they will want to ski again. The prices and travel distance difference between the two doesn't matter as much. So does conditioner affect beginner at all?

post #17 of 18
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Originally Posted by runikg View Post
 

I am getting close to the time when I need to decide where or cancel the whole trip. Today Gore has 7 trails open(3 trails a couple days before), but none of them is for beginner. Killington has 24 trails open(15 trails a couple day before), and they seems to be pumping out more snow. I know there might be less people at gore, but I am also worry I won't be able to do anything there by 1/8. I have like half a month to go, some forecast seems to say it will be cold enough at night. Also I am not sure what's the difference is for a beginner skiing on early season condition vs like a mid season condition. I just want to make sure everyone have a good experience, so they will want to ski again. The prices and travel distance difference between the two doesn't matter as much. So does conditioner affect beginner at all?


Sorry, can't really answer that question because it depends too much on Mother Nature.  Plus I have never skied at Killington.  What is the date you have to make a decision?

 

I suggest you start a thread in Resorts, Conditions & Travel with a title of something like "Gore vs Killington Jan. 8-10 for first time skiers from NYC?"  More people read that forum than the Beginner Zone.

post #18 of 18
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I say around Christmas time, since all of us probably need to gather a few things before we can get going. 

 

I will certain make that new post. Thanks for everything again. I really appreciate it.

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