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post #1 of 10
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I have a question for bootfitters here. I have a pair of Head Adapt Edge 90/100 skiboots. There is a screw at the back of each boot allowing a softer flex and a screw at the bottom of each shrew, according to online descriptions, which would allow some widening of  each shoe. I already had the skiboots given to a bootfitters last year who widened the shoes for me. At the time, last year, the big problem I had with the skiboots was that my calves were being squeezed so tightly that I was forced to stop every 30 metres or so while skiing in order to reduce the pain and get the blood flowing again to my feet. Widening the boots(via machine, perhaps,  not via screw?) did not solve this calf-problem I had. What I was wondering is what other things are possible that a bootfitter could do without ruining my ability to ski? The widening done at that shop last year meant that the 2 top buckles could only just reach the nearest (lowest) rung/setting so that further widening would not work, I suspect? My skiboots were size 46, mondopoint 30. Oh, and I also had this problem with the front of the skiboot being too hard for me.

post #2 of 10

The widening screw only widens the forefoot.  It has no effect on the cuff at all.


The boot is quite soft so I'm surprised it feels to hard to you.  Could it be because the tongue radius is too tight and the tongue should be widened by heating and flaring it.


It is unlikely the boot is too stiff so I would have a fitter try some padding on the tongue to redistribute pressure.



post #3 of 10

sounds like there could be an issue with your calf muscle, if the flexibility is compromised then it can give you that crushing feeling that you describe 


my next thought is that with a eu46  your boots at size 30 are too big, i am about a 46 and a 28 is as big as i need so there may be an issue there, if you are not in the correct place in the boot then it could be causing all manner of problems (going up a size is often done by boot sellers (NOT FITTERS) if you have limited calf muscle flexibility as in the correct size you are unable to get into the back of the boot so the correct size feels too small

post #4 of 10

Since you have large calf muscles, you will most likely need to have the boot cuff flared to the rear to accommodate the size issue---but also large calves will cause you to have a fore/aft balance problem.  As the other responders have noted, your boots are too big.


How long are your feet in centimeters?


What is the circumference of you calf muscles at the top of the liner.



post #5 of 10
Thread Starter 

My feet are  exactly 30cm in length, so 30 mondopoint(?). My skiboots were said to be size 46 here in Austria and my feet reach right up to the end of the boot. Actually, I would have preferred a little space in front of my toes and the forefoot a lot wider for my 120mm wide feet  but the seller at the shop had stated that he had no skiboots in a bigger size and I, at the time, was an ignoramus who had never heard of bootfitting before. In fact, other than a foolish 3- year period when I hired skiboots, my skiboots used to always fit me very comfortably indeed so I never had to seek help.


My calf circumference at the top of the liner appears to be 19 inches. 

post #6 of 10

Where are you located (what country)?


We might be able to direct you to someone who can help.



post #7 of 10
Thread Starter 

I am currently living in Vienna in Austria. 

post #8 of 10
Originally Posted by CromCruach View Post

I am currently living in Vienna in Austria. 

Very few fitter shops are set up to deal with your issues.


It is possible to flare/bend the boot cuff rearward to allow you to extend at the knee and get into a good fore/aft balanced position. The Buckles could then be moved to allow for some adjustment around you calves.


Colin Martin (CEM) could help you and there is a shop in the Nederlands set up with the needed tools called Skicenter-Edelweiss


You need someone with one of these:     http://www.southernski.com/toe-jam-spreader-ultimate-cuff-stretcher.html


Click on the address to open the page to the tool to see how this can be done.



post #9 of 10
Thread Starter 

Thanks a LOT for the info.


I am planning to ski in Lech in the Arlberg region. Would Strolz in Lech have such a machine? Strolz is pretty famous. I had been very leery of buying the  custom-fit Strolz skiboots given the huge cost, but if they can fix my skiboots for much less, it would be worth wasting a whole day's skiing to get it done. Then again, maybe Nora Pure Sports in Vienna might be able to alter my boots the way that is required? I used to be mocked ages ago for my bad skiing-technique despite having skiied off-piste etc. for many years,  but I am beginning to realise that the way my skiboots were positioned was likely responsible for much of my bad posture etc. while skiing.



Hmm, interesting, relevant thread I found while googling:-



post #10 of 10
Thread Starter 

Hi again,


I wanted to thank you all sincerely  for your replies to my thread/posts. I had expected only very  vague, very short, rather unhelpful  replies, such as I had previously gotten from numerous skiboot-manufacturers, allexperts.com  and various ski-sports shops in Vienna, but instead I got very useful, detailed, very expert advice from you all. I duly went to Nora Pure Sports shop in Vienna, Austria, who were the only ones in Vienna who had a bootfitter available, and the relevant bootfitter did an absolutely marvellous job. He lengthened/widened the forefoot of my boots  enough to make them wearable without constriction, he removed a useless black thing at the back of the skiboots which was unnecessarily restricting the cuff at the back, and managed to shift the top 2 buckles of my skiboots around enough so as to give my calves enough room, as well as removing the soles inside which he said were unnecessary. The cost was tiny compared to the cost of a new pair of skiboots. Even better, unlike several previous shop-assistants elsewhere, he actually knew what he was talking about, and also unlike them, he did not recommend my buying a hideously expensive pair of Strolz ski-boots instead. In fact, when I mentioned Strolz, he pointed out that Strolz made their skiboots too inflexible and hard which was the opposite of what I wanted. The only catch was that he said that my skiboots(Head adapt edge) could not be altered, even by machine,  to make them more vertical as the lower back of the skiboot prevented it, being somehow separate from the top part of the skiboot or something. Not the end of the world, I will just have to buy a new pair of skiboots from Nora Pure Sports next year and make sure they are of the kind that can be altered to become more vertical. This year, for the first time in 3 years I will be able to ski in comfort without stopping all the time in absolute agony, I will just have to endure skiing with my backside too far back  as usual, until next year.

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