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post #31 of 56

My SL skis are a riot on short hills, you can link lots of turns with mechanical precision, stick like glue on hard snow and ice while getting a heck of a workout.  The only downside is if you like to let it rip now and then, they get squirrely.  The upside is they are typically dirt cheap on the used market, you can get a pair of SL skis in decent shape for $200-$250.  If you hate them, you won't be out much if anything if you turn around and sell them again.
 

A 15m to 18m radius cheater/carver that's a little on the softer side and will bend to make shorter radius turns.  The Rossi 9GS would be fun as would the ones Mogsie pointed out, they fall between a SL ski and an all out GS.  The Kastle RX12 in 178 would fit the bill in that category as well as it's radius is a tweener.

If you like your skis super damp with thug like behavior, demo a Nordica GSR in 176.  Not the best at bending short turns, but it and the Kastle are just confidence inspiring and like speed.




 

post #32 of 56
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Wow, OK. So if a 110 has a nice deep sidecut, it's preferable on frontside groomers to a 75 of the same radius. You were right, you're the only one thinking it. :D

 

No....  The 75mm ski will perform better on front-side groomers than any 110mm ski.  Particularly if both skis feature the same turning radius.

post #33 of 56

kastle rx12 is a good idea too! Really nice edge grip, good snow feel, stiff but will never throw you out, and a 176 cm with 16.5 m radius could be a very good compromise!

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Wow, OK. So if a 110 has a nice deep sidecut, it's preferable on frontside groomers to a 75 of the same radius. You were right, you're the only one thinking it. :D

 

No....  The 75mm ski will perform better on front-side groomers than any 110mm ski.  Particularly if both skis feature the same turning radius.



'Zackly.     But then a nice 35m GS ski would both ski bigger in the speed and stability sense than a 23m 110waist and be nicer on frontside groom.    

But, hey, I'm OK with being the only one thinking something.  

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Wow, OK. So if a 110 has a nice deep sidecut, it's preferable on frontside groomers to a 75 of the same radius. You were right, you're the only one thinking it. :D

 

No....  The 75mm ski will perform better on front-side groomers than any 110mm ski.  Particularly if both skis feature the same turning radius.



'Zackly.     But then a nice 35m GS ski would both ski bigger in the speed and stability sense than a 23m 110waist and be nicer on frontside groom.    

But, hey, I'm OK with being the only one thinking something.  


I may have said this before.  That 35 m GS ski would be very nice on the groomed........at Tremblant on a frosty cold Sunday Morning, but not on most of Tremblant's runs on a sunny Saturday afternoon.  Also not so nice on the groomed..... on a 250' vertical hill.

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Wow, OK. So if a 110 has a nice deep sidecut, it's preferable on frontside groomers to a 75 of the same radius. You were right, you're the only one thinking it. :D

 

No....  The 75mm ski will perform better on front-side groomers than any 110mm ski.  Particularly if both skis feature the same turning radius.



'Zackly.     But then a nice 35m GS ski would both ski bigger in the speed and stability sense than a 23m 110waist and be nicer on frontside groom.    

But, hey, I'm OK with being the only one thinking something.  


I may have said this before.  That 35 m GS ski would be very nice on the groomed........at Tremblant on a frosty cold Sunday Morning, but not on most of Tremblant's runs on a sunny Saturday afternoon.  Also not so nice on the groomed..... on a 250' vertical hill.


But in either of those situations, should they arise, OP uses the small ski which he came here to get reccos for. 

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Wow, OK. So if a 110 has a nice deep sidecut, it's preferable on frontside groomers to a 75 of the same radius. You were right, you're the only one thinking it. :D

 

No....  The 75mm ski will perform better on front-side groomers than any 110mm ski.  Particularly if both skis feature the same turning radius.



'Zackly.     But then a nice 35m GS ski would both ski bigger in the speed and stability sense than a 23m 110waist and be nicer on frontside groom.    

But, hey, I'm OK with being the only one thinking something.  


I may have said this before.  That 35 m GS ski would be very nice on the groomed........at Tremblant on a frosty cold Sunday Morning, but not on most of Tremblant's runs on a sunny Saturday afternoon.  Also not so nice on the groomed..... on a 250' vertical hill.


But in either of those situations, should they arise, OP uses the small ski which he came here to get reccos for. 


Yes, in all cases at a hill with 350' or more vertical, Kästle RX, Fischer RC, Head i.Speed or the like would be great skis.  For smaller hills 13 m radius SL skis rule (Head i.race, Head i. SL RD, Fischer WC SC, Fischer SL...)

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Wow, OK. So if a 110 has a nice deep sidecut, it's preferable on frontside groomers to a 75 of the same radius. You were right, you're the only one thinking it. :D

 

No....  The 75mm ski will perform better on front-side groomers than any 110mm ski.  Particularly if both skis feature the same turning radius.



'Zackly.     But then a nice 35m GS ski would both ski bigger in the speed and stability sense than a 23m 110waist and be nicer on frontside groom.    

But, hey, I'm OK with being the only one thinking something.  


I may have said this before.  That 35 m GS ski would be very nice on the groomed........at Tremblant on a frosty cold Sunday Morning, but not on most of Tremblant's runs on a sunny Saturday afternoon.  Also not so nice on the groomed..... on a 250' vertical hill.


But in either of those situations, should they arise, OP uses the small ski which he came here to get reccos for. 


Yes, in all cases at a hill with 350' or more vertical, Kästle RX, Fischer RC, Head i.Speed or the like would be great skis.  For smaller hills 13 m radius SL skis rule (Head i.race, Head i. SL RD, Fischer WC SC, Fischer SL...)

 

You will perceive that I am of your way of thinking enitirely.  :D

post #39 of 56

Just 3 observations

 

1) Why not a regular GS ski,between 0 and -5 cm of the OP's height? He has the weight to use it. I dont see how an Atomic D2 GS 18m wouldnt work

2) In Euroland I wonder if youa re not seeing loads of Rossi Heros ST carbon / ST TI available

3) Quotation fractal!

post #40 of 56

Personally, I like the idea of a slightly detuned SL type ski in a longer length. Super versatile, easy to turn in any size radius, and you should be able to run it out in bigger arcs, no problem. For example, I used a Blizzard Power 800s (now called the S8) in 174cm last year, and it was phenomenal.  14 something radius, but I could do anything on that ski.  And the length was somewhat versatile for all-mountain use. 

 

Scott

post #41 of 56

^^^^ I owned an ancestor, G-Power, 72 mm wide, in both 167 and then 174. I'm 165, 6'. Later was much more enjoyable in virtually all situations except tight bumps, and yeah, crazy versatile design. A narrow all mountain, really, that happened to grip like a pit bull. Think the radius was around 15, could be bent into many turn shapes. The new ones are apparently better, haven't skied them. 

post #42 of 56
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^^^^ I owned an ancestor, G-Power, 72 mm wide, in both 167 and then 174. I'm 165, 6'. Later was much more enjoyable in virtually all situations except tight bumps, and yeah, crazy versatile design. A narrow all mountain, really, that happened to grip like a pit bull. Think the radius was around 15, could be bent into many turn shapes. The new ones are apparently better, haven't skied them. 

The new ones are still very nice...:-)

post #43 of 56
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No....  The 75mm ski will perform better on front-side groomers than any 110mm ski.  Particularly if both skis feature the same turning radius.

Uh, just be clear, I was being ironic. Thus the emoji. 

 

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'Zackly.     But then a nice 35m GS ski would both ski bigger in the speed and stability sense than a 23m 110waist and be nicer on frontside groom.    

But, hey, I'm OK with being the only one thinking something.  


For the record, I'm now officially lost in space about what the hell you're talking about, Can. But that's cool, carry on. :o

post #44 of 56

There are also some ski cross (specific or not so specific) skis available. The length and radius fall between SL / Cheater GS skis.

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There are also some ski cross (specific or not so specific) skis available. The length and radius fall between SL / Cheater GS skis.

 Is it me or there is less ski cross offering now than a couple of years ago?

post #46 of 56
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 Is it me or there is less ski cross offering now than a couple of years ago?

Ski cross offers are using GS R25,no? From my observations on dynastar and atomic
post #47 of 56

Stockli offers an SX FIS with ">23 m" at 185 cm and ">27" m at  190 cm.

Their Laser SX ranges from 12.6 m at 154 cm to 17.3 m  at 178 cm. 

 

I think I would love the laser SX at 170 cm with 15.6 m radius as a good compromise one ski quiver for hard snow  (but I would have to see how much if any Rocker it has ;)).

post #48 of 56
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Stockli offers an SX FIS with ">23 m" at 185 cm and ">27" m at  190 cm.

Their Laser SX ranges from 12.6 m at 154 cm to 17.3 m  at 178 cm. 

 

I think I would love the laser SX at 170 cm with 15.6 m radius as a good compromise one ski quiver for hard snow  (but I would have to see how much if any Rocker it has ;)).

I really liked the laser sx! Super edge grip but also super easy to ski because of the smooth flex of the tip... I skied it in ping pong balls conditions, on ice, in crud, on fresh groomed and in fresh snow and they were superb!

post #49 of 56
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Stockli offers an SX FIS with ">23 m" at 185 cm and ">27" m at  190 cm.

From everything I've read, those are pretty serious competition skis, even compared to some FIS GS models. The non-FIS SX may be more realistic for non-pro mortals planning to use them recreationally.  

post #50 of 56

I was talking about the non-fis

post #51 of 56

I know. All good. But wasn't sure about the relevancy of the FIS data I quoted for the issue we've been rambling about the last page or so; stubby GS skis. Would hate some new poster to go, "Aha, I then I should get some Stockli FIS spec skis for my local blue runs." 

post #52 of 56

Absolutely.  FIS skis were designed to work well at FIS racing speeds and turn shapes.  If you are not making those turns at those speeds there's no point getting them.  The laser (non-fis) SX is a more likely candidate for most skiing on public hills.

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Well the 188/30m gs skis are supposed to be pretty nice. Not like the 195/35's .
post #54 of 56
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Well the 188/30m gs skis are supposed to be pretty nice. Not like the 195/35's .


I'm quite fond of the 208/73s.  :D  (for cold mornings at Tremblant and other large hills)

post #55 of 56
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Stockli offers an SX FIS with ">23 m" at 185 cm and ">27" m at  190 cm.

Their Laser SX ranges from 12.6 m at 154 cm to 17.3 m  at 178 cm. 

 

I think I would love the laser SX at 170 cm with 15.6 m radius as a good compromise one ski quiver for hard snow  (but I would have to see how much if any Rocker it has ;)).

 

 

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From everything I've read, those are pretty serious competition skis, even compared to some FIS GS models. The non-FIS SX may be more realistic for non-pro mortals planning to use them recreationally.  

 

I tested the 15 Stockli 190/27 a couple of seasons back.  It was actually a surprisingly nice ski.  I thought it would have kicked my butt but I had a lot of fun on it.  As an aside I have also been skiing the Blossom 188/27 (Although looking at the dimensions it is probably 30+, need to check) Overlimit FIS GS ski in the last couple of weeks and it is a really sweet ski, one of the bets 27m I have been one.  Not usually a big fan of the 27s but I will make an exception!  

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Well the 188/30m gs skis are supposed to be pretty nice. Not like the 195/35's .

 

Yes, the 188/30s are a LOT moreover friendly than the big boy GS skis!.  The flex is really dialed in on them and while you can bend them and lay them over you can also ski them "older school" and do short swings when required!.  

 

What I would say about the current crop of 188/30s is that they are ALL very closely matched and similar in overall performance.  Slight nuances to each brand but I would happily race on any of them.

post #56 of 56
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Absolutely.  FIS skis were designed to work well at FIS racing speeds and turn shapes.  If you are not making those turns at those speeds there's no point getting them.  The laser (non-fis) SX is a more likely candidate for most skiing on public hills.


Nice that my suggestion in post number 8 only took another 40-50 posts to become somewhat of a consensus...

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